• tidderuuf@lemmy.world
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    18 hours ago

    Vegans eat other foods that use fertilizer. Fertilizers could contain meat or meat byproducts… So…

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      12 hours ago

      I think I heard recently that one of the mushrooms that is popular as a vegan meat substitute lives off of some sort of living creature like insects or something.

      But realistically, it’s all the circle of life. Animal life is part of the circle. Probably all plants have consumed nutrients that came from an animal in some way.

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        18 hours ago

        cow is made of meat.

        cow eats grass.

        cow has a shit.

        said shit is collected to form manure.

        this manure is an animal byproduct which the animal did not consent to you taking.

        Same as bees and honey.

        Im not vegan but thats what a vegan explained to me

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          18 hours ago

          Ok, evil humans extort shit from the cows without their consent. I never thought that vegans are that crazy.

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            18 hours ago

            Hi vegan here, stop talking shit about something you know nothing about. Veganism is not living just on air and water.

            If there is a cow shitting there is no problem taking that shit and putting it on a field. The problem is when a industry - that is based on exploiting animals - profits of shit flooding our groundwater with nitrate. We want to reduce that huge industry in different ways:

            Basic for every vegan: food based on plants not on animals.

            how and why people choose to be vegan is as diverse as “being a meateater” is. Some people eat a cheeseburger a day some eat one piece of deer a year.

            What I was doing most of my life is environmental veganism: Never bought anything animal related. If e.g. meat was actually thrown away otherwise I’d eat it as well.

            Then there are health reasons. (Never digged to deep into that - I am damn healthy and happy with my diet)

            And what you are talking about is ethical veganism: Ethical Vegans say there is no reason why humans are allowed to treat animals in that way and think animals are somewhat equal to humans. They would strongly oppose the use of shit of animals on fields if it is possible with less support of the harm the industry does.

            Depending on the reason why people do it they often live it in a different way (and sometimes hate each other for their approach)

            • SendMePhotos@lemmy.world
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              17 hours ago

              stop talking shit about something you know nothing about.

              Isn’t this kind of how society works and why we are where we are?

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          13 hours ago

          The fact that some vegans think honey is exploitative really says a lot about their lack of knowledge.

          They DO know that if bees don’t like a place, they’ll just … leave, right?

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            5 hours ago

            You could say the same about humans working exploitative jobs. You can be unhappy and still stay because the cost of quitting is too high. It’s only when it gets really bad that it becomes worthwhile.

            Edit: I just learned from another comment that they sometimes clip the queen’s wings so they can’t leave.

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            15 hours ago

            Vegans in your country don’t like organic food? Blood/bone meal is still a very popular fertlilizer.