I agree, but expecting change in the next 6 months, maybe up to five years, is unrealistic, particularly under a government that actively encourages the use of fossil fuels.
That’s hilarious. I’m not even getting a handshake at the local EV dealership for the price that I paid for my 17 year old work truck with 300k km on it. The cheapest used EV pickup truck for sale here currently is 25k€ and is completely unfit for what I need it for and the size of those American monster trucks - no thanks.
You want to highlight the part where they claim extinction by the end of the century because I’m not seeing it.
The atmosphere is divided into five primary layers: the troposphere, stratosphere, mesosphere, thermosphere, and exosphere. Greenhouse gases primarily concentrate in the troposphere, the layer closest to the Earth’s surface, extending from ground level up to about 8 to 15 kilometers high. This is where weather events occur, and it’s also where the majority of the Earth’s air is located.
The stratosphere, which on Earth lies between the altitudes of about 12 kilometres (7.5 mi) and 50 kilometres (31 mi), sometimes considered part of the “middle atmosphere” rather than the lower atmosphere
While I don’t know your use case or required vehicle type, there are many EV’s around $35K and tons on the used market for way less. There are tons of things to calculate but assuming a diesel vehicle is driven about 10K miles a year, you’ll spend around $2K/year on that, yea? Every year you own the vehicle you can deduct that from the purchase price to get the Net Present Value of the vehicle as home-charging rates are negligible at around maybe $100 a year. If you own it for 5 years, that vehicle could be considered to have cost you roughly $25K, net. 10 years would be $15K net. Then there’s the lower maintenance cost on EV’s to consider, as well. In the long term, EV’s aren’t as expensive as people think but you have to have the funds to cover the high purchase price at the start and plan to own the vehicle for a long time. As gas prices rise, these calculations only improve for EV’s and worsen for gas-powered vehicles. A helpful metric to use is that gas vehicles cost about $0.30/mile to run and EV’s, when charged at home, cost about $0.03/mile.
35k is a completely outrageous price to pay for a vehicle. That covers my fuel for 17 years, but it wouldn’t even buy me an equivalent EV. Those are up from 50k used.
I don’t have anything against EVs on principle. I just can’t afford one - whereas I could total my work truck tomorrow and just buy a new (used) one. Or five.
Yea I hear you, all the heavy duty EVs are still expensive. They’ll come down in price over time. Here’s a used 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning for $37,888. If what you have works for you then that’s great, but electric vehicles CAN do what your gas powered vehicle does right now, just still expensive because of tariffs and other financial fuckery.
Can you be any more disingenuous? Have I claimed that switching to an EV is a mistake? I can’t afford one. I’m a struggling solopreneur with a 17-year-old pickup truck. If I had the level of expendable income Amazon has, I’d be more than happy to splurge 80k€ on an equivalent EV.
You can throw up a bike lane in a few hours with nothing but a few traffic cones. This isn’t something that takes years to implement if there’s actually political will to do so.
Its not just america paying more for oil. Countries world wide will experience this and future volatility. It could be a tipping point for some to take alternative energy and transportation more seriously.
I agree, but expecting change in the next 6 months, maybe up to five years, is unrealistic, particularly under a government that actively encourages the use of fossil fuels.
But it can be a waking call for many people that didn’t though about changing to EV and solar panels.
I can buy so much diesel for the price of an EV. Those are completely out of my price range and higer fuel prices aren’t going to change that.
Diesel vehicles are the same price range as electric vehicles if not more expensive. The cost of ownership on diesels is way way more than an EV.
That’s hilarious. I’m not even getting a handshake at the local EV dealership for the price that I paid for my 17 year old work truck with 300k km on it. The cheapest used EV pickup truck for sale here currently is 25k€ and is completely unfit for what I need it for and the size of those American monster trucks - no thanks.
The amount of money you would have to spend to keep a diesel on the road for 300k is more than the cost of a new EV.
If we don’t stop putting greenhouse gasses into the stratosphere today then we will be extinct by the end of the century.
Said no reputable climate scientist ever.
Also, greenhouse gases are primarily emitted into the lower atmosphere, not the stratosphere
Climate change: Potential to end humanity is ‘dangerously underexplored’ say experts
The stratosphere is in the lower atmosphere. Thanks for showing everyone you don’t know what you’re talking about.
You want to highlight the part where they claim extinction by the end of the century because I’m not seeing it.
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While I don’t know your use case or required vehicle type, there are many EV’s around $35K and tons on the used market for way less. There are tons of things to calculate but assuming a diesel vehicle is driven about 10K miles a year, you’ll spend around $2K/year on that, yea? Every year you own the vehicle you can deduct that from the purchase price to get the Net Present Value of the vehicle as home-charging rates are negligible at around maybe $100 a year. If you own it for 5 years, that vehicle could be considered to have cost you roughly $25K, net. 10 years would be $15K net. Then there’s the lower maintenance cost on EV’s to consider, as well. In the long term, EV’s aren’t as expensive as people think but you have to have the funds to cover the high purchase price at the start and plan to own the vehicle for a long time. As gas prices rise, these calculations only improve for EV’s and worsen for gas-powered vehicles. A helpful metric to use is that gas vehicles cost about $0.30/mile to run and EV’s, when charged at home, cost about $0.03/mile.
35k is a completely outrageous price to pay for a vehicle. That covers my fuel for 17 years, but it wouldn’t even buy me an equivalent EV. Those are up from 50k used.
I don’t have anything against EVs on principle. I just can’t afford one - whereas I could total my work truck tomorrow and just buy a new (used) one. Or five.
Today I have made the calc. With 1€ of electricity (at home) I can drive 75km. That 1€ gives me today half a liter of gasoline.
EVs are already cheaper than ICE vehicles. You pay a bit more up front, but you save long term of gas and maintenance.
There’s about 8k between the cheapest EV and the cheapest gas car. Whatever difference is overshadowed by the cost of gas.
You are looking for reasons.
I have no use for the cheapest EV. I need a vehicle that’s able to transport more than just me. My livelihood depends on it.
Yea I hear you, all the heavy duty EVs are still expensive. They’ll come down in price over time. Here’s a used 2023 Ford F-150 Lightning for $37,888. If what you have works for you then that’s great, but electric vehicles CAN do what your gas powered vehicle does right now, just still expensive because of tariffs and other financial fuckery.
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/5a31312f-0fba-4531-9f70-7986dfeab27c/
F-150 is way too big for me, but the cheapest one for sale here is a '23 model with 60k km on it and an 82k€ price tag.
Ideally I’d just want a super basic one - a pure utility vehicle with zero luxuries. Kinda like the Slate truck.
Tell that to Amazon. They have changed all its vans to EV. You should warn them that they are making a mistake.
Can you be any more disingenuous? Have I claimed that switching to an EV is a mistake? I can’t afford one. I’m a struggling solopreneur with a 17-year-old pickup truck. If I had the level of expendable income Amazon has, I’d be more than happy to splurge 80k€ on an equivalent EV.
You can throw up a bike lane in a few hours with nothing but a few traffic cones. This isn’t something that takes years to implement if there’s actually political will to do so.
Its not just america paying more for oil. Countries world wide will experience this and future volatility. It could be a tipping point for some to take alternative energy and transportation more seriously.