• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    There is no genocide of Uyghurs. Uyghur genocide atrocity propaganda akin to claiming that there’s “white genocide” in South Africa, Christian genocide in Nigeria, or that Hamas sexually assaulted babies in Operation Al-Aqsa Flood.

    In the case of Xinjiang, the area is crucial in the Belt and Road Initiative, so the west backed sepratist groups in order to destabilize the region. China responded with vocational programs and de-radicalization efforts, which the west then twisted into claims of “genocide.” Nevermind that the west responds to seperatism with mass violence, and thus re-education programs focused on rehabilitation are far more humane, the tool was used both for outright violence by the west into a useful narrative to feed its own citizens.

    The best and most comprehensive resource I have seen so far is Qiao Collective’s Xinjiang: A Resource and Report Compilation. Qiao Collective is explicitly pro-PRC, but this is an extremely comprehensive write-up of the entire background of the events, the timeline of reports, and real and fake claims.

    I also recommend reading the UN report and China’s response to it. These are the most relevant accusations and responses without delving into straight up fantasy like Adrian Zenz, professional propagandist for the Victims of Communism Foundation, does.

    Tourists do go to Xinjiang all the time as well. You can watch videos like this one on YouTube, though it obviously isn’t going to be a comprehensive view of a complex situation like this.

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        12 hours ago

        I’ve already read that article, the sources I linked debunk what’s fake and help contextualize what’s real. You should really do some due dilligence instead of coasting by on Wikipedia, many of the sources in that article link back to made-up claims by Adrian Zenz.

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        Fun fact, that Wikipedia page used to be titled “Uyghur Genocide” but they had to change it after it became obvious that no genocide was occurring.

        Anyway, do you acknowledge the white genocide being orchestrated by a shadowy international jewish communist cabal, or are you a genocide denier? Because if a bunch of nazis say it, it must be true.

        Also, name a single non “authoritarian” government. You can’t.

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          I 100% acknowledge all genocides by imperialist authoritarian shitholes unlike you tankies. Every authoritarian government deserves to fail. I notice how your mod removes links to Wikipedia yet you clamor for sources. You do not care for the truth, you are just propagandists for your preferred imperial authoritarian governments if you’re even an organic person and not just some official in the propaganda arm. Enjoy your little bubble, you will never win supporters this way.

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            Lol. Imagine declaring “Yes, I do believe the Jews are committing white genocide!” And thinking you’re making a compelling argument

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            Do you acknowledge the totally real white genocide definitely being orchestrated by a shadowy international jewish communist cabal, or are you a genocide denier?

            Why can’t you answer this simple question instead of freaking out? Are you secretly some kind of tankie?

            Do you condemn Hamas for beheading 40 babies?

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            And off he goes to post on c/meanwhileongrad 😂

            Edit to add: 1) Wikipedia isn’t a source, dumbass. 2) We’re not the ones in a bubble. Previously:

            It’s virtually impossible to be in an “echo chamber” when living in a Five Eyes country. Or rather, it’s virtually impossible to not be stuck in the Five Eyes liberal echo chamber. You would have to go full Kaczynski, living in a shack in the woods.

            As if we weren’t—and aren’t still—exposed to exactly the same life-long indoctrination, education, and propaganda as everyone else in the imperial core. But somehow we, who looked beyond the cultural hegemony in which we’re surrounded, are the ones living in a bubble.

            Previously:

            “Genocide denial” isn’t a magic spell. Do you not deny the genocide of white South Africans?

            Also, do you think we haven’t gone over the Wikipedia entry with a fine-toothed comb already?

            Previously:

            The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing Salafi terrorist into Xinjiang, and once its efforts failed, it made lemonade out of its lemon by concocting and promoting a genocide narrative.

            The only countries pushing this narrative are the “always the same mapimperial core countries, which just so happen to be largely the same ones supporting Israel’s genocide.

            Almost no predominantly-Muslim country buys the Uyghur genocide narrative, because they know it’s bullshit, because they talked to the Uyghurs themselves.
            https://twitter.com/un_hrc/status/1578003299827171330 #HRC51 | Draft resolution A/HRC/51/L.6 on holding a debate on the situation of human rights in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of #China, was REJECTED.

            Previously:

            Genocide is more than just killing, it’s the deliberate destruction of a people including its culture and institutions.

            (a) Show me the Uyghur bodies

            (b) Show me the serious bodily or mental harm

            (c) Show me the conditions calculated to bring about physical destruction in whole or in part

            (d) Show me the measures intended to prevent births within the group

            In accordance with China’s affirmative action policies towards ethnic minorities, all non-Han ethnic groups were subject to different laws and were usually allowed to have two children in urban areas, and three or four in rural areas.

            (e) Show me the forcible transfer of children from one group to another group

            violent incidents in East Turkestan

            I wonder where those Salafi terrorists came from? Oh right: the US, UK, and Israel organized, funded, and trained them, as they did Al Qaeda and the various flavors of ISIS/ISIL, including the “moderate rebels” that just took over Syria. The blueprint of regime change operations How regime change happens in the 21st century with your consent.

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          You’re getting downvoted because your points have been thoroughly debunked, and we refuse to accept your fantasies as material reality.

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        I think you should reread my comment and sources, as they already counter that article. Do you think I haven’t read that wikipedia entry already? It’s the first thing people jump to when trying to prove a genocide, despite being full of holes and referencing Adrian Zenz, or sources relying on Adrian Zenz. Have the basic decency to check out the sources I linked.