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Because the form of autism most people are familiar with is the high support needs versions, where someone will never mentally mature past being a child, and will need lifelong care.
ADHD doesn’t have that counterpart, so it and lower support needs autism were simply seen as personality failures and eccentricities that could be corrected, or left in place without harm.
“If only you would concentrate harder and were more careful”-type business. A lot of people still have that association with autism and ADHD.
We shall one day rule the world.
Which is which? Cause they’ve both fallen into either category.
I think ADHD is often seen as annoying kids and not taken seriously while autism is viewed as otherworldly and caused by vaccines. There are no conspiracy theories where ADHD comes from, just that it’s diagnosed too often
The conspiracy theory is that liberal doctors are testing new world order mind control drugs on your kids, with ADHD as a made up excuse. The kids are just lazy and irresponsible weaklings, of course.
The worst part of it is that there are no visual cues to any of it at all. So because you look happen to normal, you’re expected to BE normal.
There’s a few if they know what to look for. Every once in a while when I’m in the zone at work, I’ll notice my fingers playing the piano (“stimming”) and hide them in my pockets.
Because the fascists needed a few scapegoats and they chose immigrants, trans, and autism.
I think ADHD was skipped because it’s harder to say, and don’t fit into their fiery speeches.
I mean RFK literally said he wanted to put people with ADHD into concentration camps
Ironic.
what?!
And the most funny thing is ‘fixing’ autism, with medicine.
Autism got rolled in because the child abuser, disbarred doctor, scam artist, and fraudulent researcher Andrew Wakefield claimed vaccines caused autism and just about the entire Anglophone mainstream media spent years framing it as a dramatic story of a defiant doctor speaking out against the tyrannical scientific community. Often accompanied by videos of
autistic children being overstimulated by the presence of a camera crew and being made to melt down for the camerathe tragic horror of having to raise an autistic child.This massively boosted antivax conspiracist subculture to the point of it being a significant electoral demographic. Billionaires then paid grifters to align them with greater alt-right conspiracism culture so they would vote far-right. Autism naturally slots into the untermensch role, with vaccination being analogized to blood libel.
So ADHD wasn’t skipped, fascists just didn’t have an ADHD-hating subculture to court.
It has been
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Days since the Internet forgot that profound autism exists.
They don’t deserve to be eradicated either.
It’s weird because terminally online people forget that profound autism exists but most irl people I talk to have no concept of autism besides profound autism.
Otoh, I think most people irl and online think of ADHD as quirky distracted ball of energy meanwhile severe ADHD is not actually seen as a disability but a personal failing or mistaken for the classic depression+anxiety combo.
this is why I still like “autism” as a term referring to severe / profound autism, and using a term still like Aspergers for those with high-functioning / mild autism (and maybe even including “broad autism phenotype”)
Absolutely! I think this disconnect is such a big part on why conversations about diagnosis rates, prevention, and treatment break down.
I honestly believe the dsm5 should have kept Asperger’s as a separate diagnosis than pooling all ASD together.
I think that’s a fairly common sentiment. The severity of symptoms is a significant decider in how disordered someone is, and having clean deliniations makes sure that people with less disordered lives are not taking attenion awwy from the needs of those with more disordered lives.
But they do have clean deliniations. Aspergers is lvl 1 autism. I assume the reason for the change was to increase insurance recognition more than anything. Which is plenty sad on it’s own.
I don’t know about that. It’s more likely to have been for categorisation reasons. They’re the same sort of disorder where severe Asperger’s has strong overlaps with ASD, so they might have been bundled together to avoid confusion when it comes to diagnosis.
Well, I don’t recall where I heard it. So it may not be true. That said, I have heard talk that some people think adhd is just another form of autism.
The reality is they really don’t know a lot about what causes any of them. So maybe they are putting them all in the same bucket because for all they know, they could all be caused by the same thing. Dunno. I still bet it has something to do with money. Everything always seems to.
Sure, but maybe pick a new name for it? Asperger has a lot of baggage that I personally wouldn’t want to be associated with. Like, maybe we shouldn’t be mentioning a eugenicist when talking about conditions that often get people feeling eugenics-y.
Some of the comments in this thread prove this correct - I’m so fuckin tired of people’s “opinion” regarding ADHD, like I’m sorry you can’t understand that brains can function in different ways. Growing up I received no help and had to adapt in various ways because of this bullshit viewpoint. Like ffs they gave me a separate desk away from the other students facing the wall and dumbfucks have the nerve to say that it doesn’t exist
I’ve never considered neuro-atypicality as any sort of disease, I think in order to do that you would have to delude yourself as to the functionality of your average neurotypical.
Not a disease, but a disorder. When it gets to the point where its hard to keep a job or even friends because you’re forgetful, distracted, demand avoidance, struggling with hygiene etc. it can get to a point where life becomes needlessly difficult. It’s not that neurotypicals don’t show any of these behaviours, but it’s to a manageble degree.
When it gets to that point, perhaps, but the barest definition of Autism or ADHD are not indicative of that. They’re umbrella and blanket terms for a wide swath of people.
Another thing is that while some would qualify for assistance in finding homes and jobs; many of them are simply a poor fit for the environment they find themselves in, could thrive more easily in a different situation.
The assistance I need: my snail mail address is actually a service that scans the letters and turns them into email. Then I don’t need to go check the mail, I can filter it, and I can easily turn it into reminders.
Because humans oversimplify things in order to manage large amounts of information.
My brother got an ASD diagnosis, and it’s impossible for me to get the other diagnosis. I just accepted that being where I am in my condition, means life is just not viable for me. I don’t even do well in this community.
I’m just going to follow neurotypical advice until I’m dead. I have been able to get nothing done lately, and I don’t feel like living anymore.
Hang in there mate.
*fuck
ADHD can be medicated. It generates billions in profit. That, is the difference.
I was going to say we pumped kids with methalike drugs for ADHD. Is that reckless seeming? Fuck yeah, but it doesn’t seem like disinterest.
Excuse me, can we please not perpetuate the negative anti-medication shit against ADHD medicine? Pretty please? Especially not in a place like this?
Why? They have gotten better and adults who have an actual baseline are way better equiped to make that decision. I don’t know a single ADHD kid in my era with me that liked the meth trip that was perscribed
I am 45 and take 60mg of lisdexamfetamine every morning just to give me a baseline level of concentration to help me almost achieve as much as someone without ADHD. I have not “gotten better” and nor will I. The meds are not a cure, they’re essentially glasses for my concentration.
As an adult I’ve had some help with a non-stimulant medication myself.
I’m happy for you.
I don’t know a single ADHD kid in my era with me that liked the meth trip that was perscribed
Your anecdata fails against the science. At best, perhaps the ones you knew were the ones for whom it was not working and you just didn’t see the ones for whom it did.
I wasn’t citing a study but I guess you referencing one. Mind citing it?
Though that still doesn’t invalidate lived experences
In the same way that I do not cite studies to flatearthers, I will not waste my time, no.
Any other suggestion/alternatives?
If they have anything to do with “electromagnetic proximity to the lavandar essence” or religious suggestions, please keep it to yourself :)
Soooo “it all kinda depends.” I believe a part of it is how ADHD manifests in the person and the coping mechanisms they’ve found that works along with whether or not there are pre-existing habits/emotional baggage that may impact its effectiveness.
There are actually, there are a few decent brands of nonstimulant ADHD drugs, with one brand being more popular among my ADHD diagnosed friends cause it works and doesn’t give them liver problems. I’m also not a doctor/talk to a doctor about these options.
I’m personally very bad at focusing during conversations in person and in general, even on tv/movies and rely on captions to focus. If I can, I like to jot down notes where I’m fully transcribing lectures/meetings or I doodle on the side and it helps me focus on a person talking.
If I can’t, it’s a full body experience that uses all of my energy and willpower when I try to actively engage and remember key details in a conversation. This gets significantly harder at parties since there’s tons of crosstalk that tempt my attention from alllllll directions which does burn me out faaaast.
I know some people say use lists, and I think it depends on the context. I just talk at my watch to add things to a grocery list on my phone and it helps keep me organized when I go. I do the same for vacation packing so that I add to a list as things spontaneously occur to me over the course of days/weeks.
On the other hand, an ADHD friend of mine is super allergic to lists and legit will not use one and is dying to leave a store from minutes of entering/forgets what he needs to buy constantly, so sometimes there can be more to a attention deficit problem than just “are ya bad at focusing on this task?”
In the end, whether it’s working with a therapist, or yourself, trying to have a better understanding of where your struggles are (and successes!!!) will be the best first step at identifying what coping mechanisms work for you.
My problem with lists (and anything text honestly): I lile to see identical formatting and structure.
And if the indentation isnt just right enough it can make me a tad agitated/irritated. Worst case can be if someone talks to me while I am in that mode…
Honestly? Exercise. Heavy mental stimulation like video games and puzzles also “worked” for me.
Good for you.
Too bad this doesnt work for everyone…
Same reason why some meds work better for some than others and vice-versa.I never said it did…
This is basically all of psychiatry in a nutshell.
- Subjectively group symptoms
- Search for any drug that treats any symptom.
- $$$$$!!!
- Bonus: Deny, obscure, and oppose solutions to the actual social roots of the problem.
Cause everybody thinks they’re ADHD.
Because 50% of Americans are either really fucking stupid or assholes, or both. That’s literally the only reason.
Correct. It really must be an american thing. The rest of the world mostly takes both divergences seriously. But we also don’t get measles, so that’s that 😁
One has people hyper fixated on things, the other makes people easily distracted by shiny things?
Hyper focus is an explicit trait of adhd where they have very intense focus on one single topic.
Also consider
- Being overly stimulated
- being socially clueless/akward
- having niche special interests
- more often have an interest in computers and gaming
- can be very good at theatre/pretend from a lifetime of masking
- gets shunned for being weird (becoming the class clown is an adhd strategy to avoid this)
Combination of both diagnosis is not uncommon and there is even a pattern where high level at functional masking autistic people get an adhd diagnosis in school long before autism is “discovered” in adulthood.
It has heen proposed that adhd, just like some other neurodivergences (ocd, dyslexia,…) should technically all belong on the autism spectrum, they are all about “the brains network of neurons being build in a non typical way”, which is also why everyone is still unique, but doing so would make it harder to medically label the specific needs of the more challenging forms of autism that need that label to get appropriate help.
Yup. I know I have ADHD. I suspect I have some autism as well. I specifically told my therapist I don’t want to test for autism, and she agreed with rfks attacks. If I have some autism, it’s very light. But my ADHD is rather heavy. Like, it’s hard for me to make myself do much, but my proclivity to not want to touch canvas isn’t that big of a deal.
