UK and Japan among countries that are considering options but yet to commit warships to blockaded shipping route
Countries including the UK, Japan, China and South Korea have said they are still considering their options but without making commitments after the US president, Donald Trump, urged them to send warships to the strait of Hormuz to secure the vital shipping route.
The effective closure of the strait of Hormuz by Tehran, in retaliation for airstrikes by the US and Israel, has proved catastrophic for global energy and trade flows, causing the largest oil supply disruption in history and soaring global oil prices.
However, the international response to Trump’s call for the dispatch of warships has so far proved vague and reluctant, with countries unwilling to commit to a military response that could prove treacherous for their navies.
UK, Japan, China and South Korea
Hum… A month ago UK was preparing for a war against the US with the rest of NATO.
And China?! Really?!
Japan barely has a navy, I’m not sure South Korea even has ships on theirs.
Japan barely has a navy
??? In case you weren’t aware, we’re an island nation. How do you think we protect our shores?
You are still dancing around the concept of an aircraft carrier. Last time I looked, having a military navy was still illegal for you.
So, yeah, you protect your shores with a coastal navy. Like every other country.
There’s a very simple solution to it. The US fucks off. They’ve made things a lot worse for themselves and everyone else as it is, so pull out now and we’ll all try figure out how to clean this mess up over the next year or two.
Never has it been more obvious how important it is to get fossil fuels out and invest in solar, wind and nuclear power.
I hope everyone else leaves the U.S. and every petro state with their garbage oil and go their own way by investing in green energy, E.V.s and mass transit.
Yes, please describe plastics, pharmaceuticals, fertilizers, air travel, sea transport with solar panels.
The “garbage oil” is what allows 8 billion people to exist. It’s what gave you everything that surrounds you.
Makes it even more important that we should stop burning that stuff and using it for more useful things
I understand, but you need to understand that the type of civilization that will result from that will be drastically different than the party humanity had during the cheap energy stage. You think housing and food are expensive now? Ho boy!
Also, your kids won’t be electrical engineers, but farriers and carpenters.
But his great great grand-children will be able to grow crops and feed themselves. Your geat great grand-children will be Mad-Maxing it across a desert for clean drinking water. Either way, everything is about to change.
Yes, what’s going to change is that sustainable energy is what powered humanity all the way up to roughly the 19th century.
There’s no going around that.
NO country should side with Trump unless Trump is open to negotiated-ceasefire/settlement.
Otherwise, they’re just backing baldfaced imperialism.
& the minute that Trump decides that negotiated isn’t on the table anymore?
Withdraw support.
Principles are what no political-gov’t can have the spine to have, though.
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I have to respectfully disagree. There is no such thing as “negotiation” with Trump and his admin. Serial bad faith actors with no checks and balances from courts or congress. They have no rule of law. It’s a tin pot dictatorship.
It is pointless to engage at any level. They act and react, everyone else acts and reacts. That’s it. When Trump is dead, the same rules apply because the courts and congress are still populated with the same people that enabled him.
We can save a lot of time and money and just eject US embassies worldwide for at least the next 20 years. US Diplomacy is dead.
US Diplomacy is dead.
Its not dead, its just resting
NO country should side with Trump. Doesn’t need to be more reason.
Nobody should trust anything Trump says he will do, much less anything he would be ‘open to’.
Ummm… no country should do this unless they have super effective defenses against USV (naval drones)
afaik, no country on this planet has that ability.
the us just constantly violates ceasefires and agreements anyway, and have been like this for many decades.
it makes no sense to make a deal with them expecting anything other than buying time until they are inevitably backstabbed.
iran itself refrained from nukes with the agreement that it would be left alone by the empire lmao
I thought he had already won the war? Why does he need help again? We wouldn’t be any help any way. We wouldn’t be anywhere near the front lines according to him.
What front lines? Maybe for celebratory hamburgers, since the war is already won?
If he had consulted his allies BEFORE starting this mess, he would now receive more than indifference and contempt.
He pooped on his allies so they’ve turned their backs on him.
This seems to suggest that shitting on our allies, behaving erratically, and stabbing them in the back (and front) isn’t the best way to build a broad coalition devoted to mutual interests, to say nothing of a narrow coalition devoted to obvious imperialism. I look forward to learning more about this hypothesis in The Art of the Deal 2.
Also suggests Trump floated the idea with the press before discussion in detail with, you know, the actual people who would be sending the boats
Everyone is heavily incentivized to watch Trump sweat a bit more.
I imagine there are very few leaders who wouldn’t be happy to see Trump replaced.
Why would we come to his aid to mitigate this catastrophic unforced error.
The US has fucked everyone. I’ve literally been angry about it for a decade now.
The dildo of consequence rarely arrives lubed.
The documentaries in ten or twenty years are gonna slap
… If we get there
I guarantee you they have not made that connection at all.
Even Bush had a coalition of the willing.
Damn, wasn’t it like 5 days ago he said he didn’t need the Royal Navy?
He is just looking for someone to be left holding the bag that he has already filled with shit.
Israel.
Israel is the perfect scapegoat on this, all trump has to do is pull his ships back and stop being a defense for Israel.
That’s literally what the American Christian right has always wanted with their support of Israel too.
Their doomsday prophecy is:
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Jewish ethnostate in Israel
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War in the Middle East, started by Israel
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Israel getting wiped off the map which causes the rapture
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Nonbelivers have to experience Armageddon
Which was cool with Israel up to step 2, but we just passed that a few weeks ago…
Israel probably has hella kompromat on Trump. Epstein was a Mossad asset after all.
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yeah no fucking shit lol. why would anyone comply? it’s only a matter of time before some iranians 9/11 us and our allies are not itching to prevent something we 100% started at their expense.
if there is a 9/11 style attack, I would bet good money that it would be a false flag from the US. they have many many many instances of false flag attacks in the past.
it wouldn’t surprise me at all.
This is really stupid, just from a strategic point of view, let alone from a moral or political perspective. Sending ships into the Strait just puts those ships in the line of fire…so, why would anyone actually agree to send ships there?
Iran has the “high ground” here. There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way. All the US is doing, is asking allies to take losses for no reason.
My opinion is he knows ships will be sunk so he wants it to be someone else’s ships. Let’s not forget Iran has a ton of mini submarines probably sitting quietly waiting.
Or… he’s asking them to take losses because he doesn’t consider them allies. World conquest would be easier with the Chinese and UK navies out of the way.
He really thinks the Chinese navy is going to help?
He loses nothing by asking….
He’s lost any shred of credibility he might have had.
The fact he included China is the funniest part. Chinese ships are already passing through the strait with Iran’s blessing, why the fuck would they ever help lmfao
There is no way for ships to take back control of the Strait this way.
Yep. The only way to actually take control of the strait is a bunch of ships and occupying/controlling all the nearby land within drone/missile/artillery range.
As it should. NATO is a defense alliance, not a pedoking/kingbibi distraction gone bad. I hope the EU can keep holding on, because the influx into far right parties and EU election tampering has become noticeable enough to possibly change this in the future.
NATO only does humanitarian bombing.
haha
Don’t you laugh, damn you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_bombing_of_Yugoslavia
“NATO framed its bombing as a humanitarian intervention”
A purely defensive humanitarian bombing, mind you, according to astute international affairs observer TheObviousSolution.
Now, let me tell you about a country called Russia. They don’t do humanitarian bombings. That’s quite silly of them since all they needed to do is “frame” it as such.
But what can you expect from a country that can apparently invade all of Europe with a single washing machine CPU.
Let’s ask one related question so everyone can decide whether any argument here will be handled in good faith or not.
Do you believe Bosnian Serbs were commiting genocide?
WHAT!! It was “ethnic cleansing”. And what does NATO have to do with this? They have these humanity-loving impulses only in certain cases, it seems.
I dislike increasingly elaborate insult names, absolutely no one who cares about it really needs convincing, they just make it unnecessarily long and random nonsensical jibberish. And I like mangos.
But what if they’re hilarious, like Drumpf
/s
It’s ok to call the namecaller-in-chief names.
Apparently it’s illegal for US ships to escort foreign vessels. Seems hard to believe but if it is the case then Trump is really begging.
Apparently it’s illegal for US ships to escort foreign vessels.
Would be par for the course for Americans if it was illegal for their ships to help foreigners
Can’t ships change flag while at sea? That one taking stuff from south America to Russia carrying who knows what did a few months ago. So all the ship would be to do is declare itself American while it goes through the strait, the revert back to its original flag after.
Apparently it’s illegal for US ships to escort foreign vessels.
And now the Trump regime suddenly cares what is and isn’t legal!?!?
He should bring this up in donalds peace board.
Good. Fuck the US, Israel and Trump. And fuck anyone and everyone that supports this pedophilic nazi piece of shit.
