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This is the power of the fediverse.
You can have all the anti speech rules you want on your instance, people can just start posting elsewhere using the same account and app.
We have a good chance now to see how well this theory works in reality. Exciting times!
I say it worked out, I posted this that is about a topic that’s been getting banned in lemmy.world.
The problem is that the community you might want to be involved with might be under them. The mods do not represent a community, and may even work against it. This is sort of what happened in reddit’s worldnews, where its mods have worked to make it be the neozionist hotspot it is today.
You end up doing pretty much what you do in reddit if you want to continue participating in a community, just creating another alt and try to post when the asshole mods are not active. Most people don’t just move on to the discount alternative community with 90% less people participating in it.
The whole algorithm of what a community is really needs to be reworked, but most people on lemmy just seem to want discount reddit.
I think what ends up happening though is the number of people that actually end up seeing your content is so small it’s kinda pointless.
Seems like it becomes a situation of “which wind would you like to piss into.”
…that’s kind of what all of this is regardless, no?
One of the greatest country songs ever made. My own personal anthem.
The best part is the left wing instances that .worlders kept complaing are removing it less
That’s not exactly a new phenomenon for .world.
General purpose instances are terrible for decentralization because they basically just put every reddit community on .world. instances revolving around a certain topic or region (like country instances or slrpnk or lemdroid) make more sense with the hierarchical structure of Lemmy.
Reddit power tripping mods migrated en masse to lemmy.world and recreated another Reddit environment there ! glad the fedivere isn’t constrained to big servers. but this is still a big problem to resolve as those mods make it hard to engage in conversations with communities that are solely hosted on their instances.
with communities that are solely hosted on their instances.
This is the beauty of the Fediverse. If you don’t like the way a community is being run, start a new one. It’s a drum @Blaze@feddit.org has been beating for a while.
As a matter of principle we should be wary of centralisation and think carefully about where to start a community. I’d also suggest starting communities elsewhere if the main one is on lemmy.ml.
Hold up a sec, now you’re just smearing people
It’s just a mod in a COMMUNITY, lemmy.world has been pretty free-speech friendly
I would be more careful of BeeHaw & Sh.itjust.works & Lemmy.cafe, if you wanted to raise suspicions
Also, There’s Mbin/Kbin & PieFed as alternatives to Lemmy
Beehaw gets a pass because they are trying to make a safe space. It’s literally their motive. The mods there have repeatedly said they are anti-free-speech, but they are massively inclusive (until that inclusivity hurts someone else, IE they don’t include transphobes, homophobes, Nazis etc).
Beehaw is a really friendly and welcoming place, they have great discussions, posts etc. Just… Treat everyone like a human, and don’t be a cunt.Surprisingly Beehaw is more welcoming than LW. LW is just full of power tripping ex-Redditors. I’d actually say that Reddit is better these days. It’s mind boggling…
I recall seeing a /conservative sub on .world but it has been removed. What happened to it?
Nah, lemmy.world admins are fucking lunatics.
I really need to get around to switching to a different instance.
I’ve found sh.itjust.works to be pretty decent so far.
LemmyWorld, you failed me son.
From the linked thread, as a reminder:
This is not a lemmy.world admin, who would actually speak on behalf of the whole instance (Not that those haven’t done questionable shit either, but not to this level). It’s a mod on community that happens to be hosted on lemmy.world, and they are citing the lemmy.world ToS in bad faith. Just like a corrupt cop will think of some bullshit law to arrest you if they wanted to abuse their power.
The admins stepped in for vegan cats. If they remove mods they do not agree with they could have done so here.
The MBFC bot was also top down straight from the admins.
The admins stepped in for vegan cats.
An admin stepped in for vegan cats, and had his decision reversed by the other admins.
The MBFC bot was also top-down straight from the admins.
An admin stepped in for vegan cats, and had his decision reversed by the other admins.
Why am I not surprised people are exaggerating things to get mad about, lol.
Recent studies in the last 3 years point to the contrary. That is misrepresenting the situation as synthetic taurine, B12 and vitamin A can be provided in a plant-based diet through the form of reputable kibble brands.
Sources:
-https://sustainablepetfood.info/
-https://bmcvetres.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12917-021-02754-8
-https://www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/vetn.2022.13.6.252
-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0253292
-https://www.mdpi.com/2306-7381/10/1/52
-https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0284132
-https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240584402411609X
Curiously clicked on the very last link at random and this is an excerpt of what I am reading:
In 1994, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) reported results of a systematic survey of the health of 300 vegetarian dogs sourced from 33 states within the U.S. and Canada via PETA’s newsletter [54,55]. Dogs ranged in age from young puppies to 19 years old, and included a wide range of breeds, males and females, both neutered and entire. Of these, 65.3% (196/300) were vegan, with the remaining 34.7% (104/300) simply vegetarian. They had been maintained on these diets for anywhere from less than two, to over nine years, with an average of 5.7 years. The precise diets used, and their level of nutritional adequacy, are unknown. Over 80% of dogs maintained on vegan or vegetarian diets for 50% to 100% of their lifetimes were reported as being in good to excellent health (Figure 1).
Bolded the absolutely laughable parts. The other “studies” mentioned in that article are about the same: Voluntary participation in a non-compensated study (leads to self-selection bias), owners simply reporting everything is fine (how do they know? perceived fur shininess is baloney), blood tests inconclusive.
The best you can pull from that article is that switching to a vegetarian diet for your cat/dog is likely not immediately endangering them. So it’s more “do so at your own risk” instead of “it’s recommended” and I don’t see how that is in the best interest of your pet, I’m sorry.
So you’re cherry picking right there.
It was the first article I openend and it was a nothing burger, so I guess. And based on your response I’m not gonna dissect the other links because you just want to be right about your personal choice anyway.
And based on your response I’m not gonna dissect the other links because you just want to be right about your personal choice anyway.
That’s literally projection, you’re doing everything you can to deny the scientific evidence to keep up the status quo to back to your obsolete beliefs.
Kibble brands are McDonald’s of pet food. Everything they do must be avoided like cancer. Everyone who spreads their misinformation must be cancelled.
It’s not just one though
Yeah, just important to remember that this is a moderation problem as it currently stands, rather than an administration problem.
On the other hand, little cow is claiming to be speaking for the admins, the post has been on the front page and is now 2 days old, and the admins haven’t said a word to disagree.
Maybe it’s just me, but I never had that much of a problem with reddit mods. The only mods with which I had a problem, were tankie mods who had a problem with me calling them out on their mass murdering authoritarian bullshit
I came here because money hungry corpos fucked over my reddit client if choice and their official app sucks balls.
Reddit was easier because everyone pigeonholed themselves in subs they could exist in with minimum conflict. You wanted to be there. Jumping into All accidentally instead of your subscribed Front Page was often a surprise dumpster fire.
Lemmy is small enough that most participants don’t just stick to their subscribed communities, they go to All because there’s more to see.
Reddit didn’t have entire sets of communities banded together equivalent to an instance operating top to bottom with parallel internal ideologies that fanned out over the rest of the site and commented on everything. /conservative and /the_donald mostly kept to their kind, unlike here where grad and ml comment on things outside of their instance, or .world will find themselves commenting on a post from those communities. So some tankie will delete your comments if you rub the community the wrong way.
Yea same i was on reddit 10+ years never a single bad, on lemmy I’ve already been banned from 2 communities for some reason lol
I’m afraid lemmy is going to turn into massive echo chambers very fast. It’s already happening after the election, becuase people don’t want to think they could possibly be wrong on any issue 🤷♀️
Yeah, I’m also skeptical Lemmy will be that much better, but I do feel a very satisfying freedom from corporatism. Cory Doctorow wrote an interesting article just this week about the fediverse and how corporate walled gardens always turn to shit in the worst ways. At least here I know there isn’t some company trying to squeeze me like a lemon or trick me to hand over my data or whatnot. Where I’m skeptical is instances based on ideology. I want instance admin to feel neutral and uncontroversial. I can’t reduce myself to a member of any one of such instances
If it helps to know, moderator resources here are extremely limited, in part (I’ve heard, so take with a grain of salt from someone who has no direct knowledge or the situation) bc the tools themselves are extremely terrible, especially across instances.
And I have extra sympathy for communities like politics where all sorts of stuff are spewed at the mods, who have to cater to people from all across the world, each one absolutely convinced of the extreme rightness of their own particular niche cause - influenced by religion, culture, laws, etc. and seemingly unwilling to understand how anyone could possibly live differently.
So I get it: if it’s a choice between the instance itself facing legal pressures from the police, I can see why an instance admin would immediately give up any “right to free speech” - which isn’t really a thing online, despite how many people claim that it should be.
The Fediverse allows us to spin up our own instances (kind of a heavy burden though), and most instances allow us to create our own communities - if we would only actually USE this power, then it would offer the freedom that it genuinely promises. e.g., you could personally start your own community, or help grow an existing one by posting or even just commenting inside of it to help make it more welcoming for people. It’s a thought anyway:-).
e.g. instead of always using !news@lemmy.world, block that and use !globalnews@lemmy.zip. The latter has grown tremendously since it started, yet still has only a quarter of the subscribers in the former (actually here I’m using monthly active users when viewed specifically from the instance it is located on, as a significantly more precise statistic of how many actually use it as opposed to merely subscribed at some point in the past), but we can make it grow - if we really wanted that to happen.
“Tankies”, i.e. anyone left of center have been banned from reddit for the last decade. Weird that after that capitalism did its thing and made reddit bad …
Thank you. I needed this meme in my life.
guys how do i transfer my account to another instance?
Blaze goes over it elsewhere in this thread.
Account Settings -> scroll down to Import/Export Settings, choose Export.
In the new account, repeat but choose Import.
Messages sent to your old account won’t follow you, but your subscribed communities and block lists will be transferred this way.
Be warned that Lemmy.World has defederated from hexbear.net and lemmygrad.ml but not all other instances have done so. These are known troll instances that, like the Alt-Right movement, offer an extreme and distorted view of their beliefs, but in this case are arguably worse bc they claim to be leftists so you may be more susceptible to falling into responding there, at which point you’ll quickly discover why they are considered troll instances. Also, the instance block feature is misnamed and does not block actual instances, only communities located on them. When a mod tells you that they want to shoot and kill you and that they hope you die soon (sadly I am nowhere close to joking, that’s a real event that actually happened, although actually that one was the tankie instance lemmy.ml in a small gaming community), you’ll see the truth of it for yourself.
So pick a good instance that matches best what you want to see. lemm.ee if you want to see everything, lemmy.cafe or dubvee.org or quokk.au or PieFed if you don’t, and so many in-between. https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list sorted by Active Monthly Users is a great website for that - e.g. perhaps you’ll pick a region-specific one like Lemmy.ca for Canada or feddit.org for German + English language, or Discuss.Online or Lemmy.Today or midwest.social for USA, etc.
Alternately, I just block the !politics@lemmy.world and !news@lemmy.world communities and use others like !globalnews@lemmy.zip. But even so, it’s good to spread around the Fediverse to take better advantage of decentralization.
Enjoy!:-)
Lemmy is butter. Reddit is the margerin we had been consuming.
Both are bad for your health.
I prefer bacon, honestly.
What is bacon?
Old school forums?
I don’t know but it narwhals at midnight.
Bacon is just a small step forward. Eat salo!
Processed meat is bad for your health too. It will give you cancer.
Bacon is less processed than any vegetable oil out there.
So those of us who aren’t tech geniuses are just stuck?
I’m using Voyager and Lemmy basically works like Reddit did for me. I don’t know what instance I’m ever on or how to see things.
I gotta say I’m pretty sick of this shit on lemmy as a whole.
I get that ml has a tankie problem. but is this what we’re gonna do now? just whenever something happens on an instance that’s it, everyone should move?
even if we did, where do we even go? even in this thread I see some people suggesting instances that other people already call sus.
i guess that confirms how leftist lemmy is. we just morphed the infighting to instance fighting.
Haha more like lemmy.libs amirite?
Yeah, having been settled in awhile on lemmy before watching that April '23 reddit “exodus” over spez shutting down blackouts…the influx of allocishetmonoabled white dudes, who felt entitled to tell us we werern’t welcome, was…well it’d be funny if it weren’t such an embodiment of why UHC can get away with a 7,000,000:1 ratio as long as they did. Even when theyre “sticking it” to the CEO’s, they’re still played like a fiddle.
So fuck em. Refuse to allow them to move the overton window of the discussion rightward. Dont stand for having your take policed, and don’t self-censor to appease that stubborn demographic. Make them come to us.
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.world is ran by liberals and zionists not tankies.
Proof that they’re Zionists? Because they have been critical of Israel.
Here is one example:
Israel doesn’t spread propaganda online but “corrects lies”: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/4009343
If you look at that mods post history and check the lowest rated comments there is much more.
Lying about ceasefire pre oct7: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/12166651
Blaming Hamas instead of Israel: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/6310176
This might be the worst one so far: https://lemmy.sdf.org/comment/14127174
I’m glad Lemmy never has to worry about conservatives tearing the place apart.
We’ll do it all by ourselves!
Nobody hates leftists as much as leftists
Hence why they deserve to lose to the right, that’s what you get for not learning
Oh & the current left is a shadow of it’s former selves (When you let Grifters like Hasan speak for you, you hit rock bottom)
Oh great arbiter of the left, do let us know the alternate path.
well, you can go his path. looks like standard Libertarian, with some Mens Rights flavoring tossed in.
Don’t let Hasan speak for you for starters
He does a good job, every person and spokesperson has their individualities, overall he is hugely net positive to the left - I think if you are saying ‘speak up also’ then you are valid, but if you are saying ‘cut down your allies’ for minor differences then you are naive or an op.
World isn’t tankie. They just have shitty mods like the rest of the Internet.
Ml is tankie, lemmygrad is tankie, solarpunk is tankie, hexbear is tankie, but not world.
This is the first time I’m hearing about Solarpunk being outright tankie, rather than just leftist. Can you point to something that shows this so I can learn more?
I browse solarpunk often.
I wouldn’t call them tankies. At all. Maybe a couple here or there might be, but if there are then they aren’t vocal.
Definitely leftist.
Thank you for the insight from someone who sees the situation from closer inspection - also, that is well said imho:-).
We did it guys.
When everybody’s a tankie, no one will be.
They believe that communism is the only way to solve environmental issues, which is not a great solution to anything.
What makes me think that they’re tankie though is the near constant Chinese propaganda, usually about EVs.
If they aren’t Tankies, then they’re incredibly suspicious
Being communist does not make you a tankie. Being an authoritarian “communist” does.
This guy is a right wing troll. They regularly post on the conservative community on my instance and pick fights with people. Anyone that is not right wing is probably a tankie for this guy.
World isn’t tankie and they’re left wing.
Sanders isn’t a tankie.
Not a troll, or even properly right wing, just right of most of Lemmy, which is a low bar.
Whatever you say troll.
Communism is inherently authoritarian. There’s no way around it.
I think the word you could be looking for is leftist, though I’m no expert.
What I do know is that tankies, highly ironically, only pretend to be leftists, while actually denying reality itself. Some Trumpists are this way on the Alt Right as well.
One short definition of a tankie is that they deny what happened in the Tiananmen Square massacre, specifically they don’t believe that anyone died (or variations thereof), despite literally all evidence including videos and statements of people who were literally fucking there first-hand. Again there are counterparts on the right as well e.g. the holocaust deniers, and the similarities are striking.
A defining characteristic of a tankie instance, for me, is not the source of their political viewpoints and rather the hostility and toxicity that they spew forth onto others with seemingly no regard for things like “consent”. It’s a zealous mindset that ceases to question one’s own beliefs and rather feels entirely justified in unleashing whatever vitriol they choose onto others. So I guess I need a better word then than “tankie” for that:-).
So leftist != tankie, bc ironically tankie != leftist.
“Tankie” isn’t a synonym for “leftist;” it’s about authoritarianism specifically. Solarpunk is the opposite of “tankie!”
Communism is authoritarianism by definition.
What happens if a worker decides he doesn’t want to work?
Every person has their needs met, even if they don’t want to work. Capitalism is artificially creating scarcity to keep profits up. We can create a world where everyone has their needs met by the few that want to provide those needs. That world does not require a state.
Every person has their needs met, even if they don’t want to work.
Where can we observe that working in practice?
Nowhere, because communism hasn’t been realized yet.
China.
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Seems reasonable, considering the general tankie view is that everything to their right is Nazi.
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You’re a right wing nut, you and Tankies are 2 sides of the same coin. And your opinion is about as valid as theirs.
Lol people are down voting you for being right, my user tag for them matches your description
Their name is “kaboom” and they post right wing trash, did you all forget exploding-heads was a thing?
Hit me again with some horseshoe theory.
