Mod Visigoth_860@lemmy.cafe posted a really creepy and pro-pedophilia post at https://lemmy.cafe/post/11105990
Mod immediately bans the two people that call it out as trolls.
Update: post is locked after two more bans
Yikes this is not good, this person probably should not be a mod of this community, or any community really. Sticking up for pedophilia is a really bad thing to do and also probably could get the instance in legal trouble. This is way past power tripping in my opinion, it could be a legal issue for the instance.
lemmy.cafe’s admins should probably look into this and possibly kick out this mod, since it could possibly cause them some big issues later if he dos anything like this in the future.
Edit: Archive.is Link CW: Pedophilia apologia.
CC: @Illecors@lemmy.cafe @Gemini@lemmy.cafe @FartInTheWind@lemmy.cafe @bahmanm@lemmy.ml
this person probably should not be a mod of this community, or any community really
That’s not possible, because it’s their own community and they’re the only poster in it. When this person inevitably gets banned and their community wiped, they’ll just register at another instance and make their own community there and continue. I don’t think that’s worth paying attention too - such behaviour just fundamentally cannot be eliminated without getting rid of the fediverse’s freedom.
Sex with minors? With an age gap bigger than like 2 years, no. But close in age is fine, like 17 and 18.
20 year olds want 15 year olds
Uh…
Matt Gaetz
Oh. Oh no.
Looks like that community is his own personal soapbox for telling everyone that he wants to fuck 14 year olds. Consider reporting it to the admins of the instance.
That’s probably the most disgusting thing I’ve seen within the last 18 hours
Consider reporting it to the admins of the instance.
I’ve done that same thing with a similar sort of instance, and mods banned the community and the moderator from their instance.
Reporting works.
Community is called “thoughts”.
Only one poster visigoth_860 who is also the mod.
Am I allowed to pee in the popcorn? because I got some thoughts.
Well, that’s a user tag I didn’t expect to have to make. Gross.
I looked at some of the posts. One had an admin commenting on it, so I don’t think they care.
The post was deleted, but I was able to access it exploiting the fact that the deletion didn’t federate with another instance.
Should I repost it here? Serious question, it’s yucky but without the content of the post it’s really hard to say something about it.EDIT: archive link to the post. Discretion is advised.
Anyway. I’ll focus on the claims made by the user, instead of assuming if he is or isn’t a paedophile.
What people like that mod, or Richard Stallman, don’t get, is:
- consent is impaired if one person has power over another
- the age gap gives you power
Beyond that all that talk about desire is a big red herring because attraction is shit inside your head, what matters is what you do.
I won’t comment about remocrats vs. depublicans because I don’t care about USA internal politics.
or Richard Stallman,
Well, I learned something new and horrible today
Yeah. His opinions about software freedom are fairly solid, but when it comes to children and sexuality, he’d do everyone a favour if he simply shut up.
In his defence, though, I don’t think that he’s a paedophile; I think that he’s just trying to extend his views about individual freedom into sexuality, but he’s too socially clueless to get it right. And then the whole thing blew out of proportion because of both witch hunters and people exploiting it for political opposition.
Very good software people are not very good social people.
I’m ok with it just being mostly gone, but the choice is yours.
I’ve archived it. I think that it’s important for transparency.
Sadly I couldn’t find the content of the comments of the two banned users. That modlog calling everyone “troll” strongly hints PTB, though.
I’ve archived it. I think that it’s important for transparency.
I appreciate that. On Reddit, it can be difficult to follow the breadcrumbs as stuff just gets nuked and we have to blindly trust OP.
Holy shit this person seriously is a fucked up individual.
Does lemmy.cafe have any infrastructure for removing dangerous people from their instances?
Can I apply that logic to other hot button issues related to children making decisions about sexuality and their bodies, or would that get me banned?
Yes this dude is fucked up, but a whole lot of you are wild hypocrites who ignore the victimization of children when it’s related to your own pet issues.
Are you comparing trans kids receiving gender affirming care to being able to have sex with adults? Because it certainly sounds like that’s what you are insinuating here. If so that is an incredibly transphobic bad faith comparison.
What do you guys think? Personally the language used here lines up pretty well with the dogwhistles most TERFs use to attack gender affirming care like puberty blockers but I’d love to hear what you have to think.
CC: @kersploosh@sh.itjust.works @imaqtpie@sh.itjust.works @InEnduringGrowStrong@sh.itjust.works
Another gem from the "woke games’ dude
Can I apply that logic to other hot button issues related to children making decisions about sexuality and their bodies, or would that get me banned?
Are the issues of children making decisions in the room with you?
Are you planning to find a ragebait website with a history of misinformation and clear bias about one incident that you’ve now use as a blanket statement of your entire worldview?
Allow me to introduce you to the concept of tu quoque
Cute, but not at all what I’m doing. I agree fully with you that this dude is fucked in the head. I’m just sick of seeing other sick behaviour getting a pass. I want to see people keep their own personal ideas about sexuality the fuck away from children.
Fuck me right?
From you
wild hypocrites
From wiki
Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwiː/;[1] Latin for ‘you also’) is a discussion technique that intends to discredit the opponent’s argument by attacking the opponent’s own personal behavior and actions as being inconsistent with their argument, so that the opponent appears hypocritical.
You’re doing exactly that. Nobody is talking about whatever else you’re thinking about and it’s irrelevant.
Pretty sure they’re taking about providing trans kids puberty blockers.
Not what the discussion in the thread was about and I’m pretty sure the original post wasn’t either.
I’m talking about what ogmios was alluding to without ever coming out and saying. It’s a pretty common tactic with transphobes to equate supporting trans kids with letting children make adult decisions. Their “logic” is “if a fourteen year old can’t decide to fuck an adult they can’t possibly be responsible for knowing their gender doesn’t match what they were assigned at birth.”
Ok, the rest of us aren’t talking about that in this thread.
I’m not trying to discredit you though. I’m asking you to extend your reasonable assessment of this situation to other situations which people around here remain wilfully blind too.
You know where word be a good place to discuss those other issues? In posts about them. This isn’t that. Go make some new content.
I’m sorry if you can’t see why there’s a connection between this guy arguing for exposing children to sexuality and the exposure of children to sexuality elsewhere, but a reasonable person should be able too.
Age gap sex isn’t harmful
Uhh OK mayyybe?
Chris Hansen damaged society
HELLO FBI? THIS GUY RIGHT HERE.
Chris Hansen damaged society
There’s a sincere argument that turning “Pedo Hunting” into a consumer spectacle has done nothing to deter the act of child sex trafficking and exploitation, but been fantastic for the NextDoor community of busybodies and concern-trolls. The #MeToo movement has flatlined. I don’t see any real efforts to provide financial aid or social assistance to kids targeted for sex work. But lots of local news sites seem obsessed with elevating allegations of sex between kids to the front pages.
Reminds me of the Satanic Panic of the 1980s, wherein 12,000 unsubstantiated cases of Satanic ritual abuse were reported and investigated by prosecutors leaning into the national media trend and looking to make headlines. Right now, we’ve got a flood of Trans-Panic and Gay-Panic news articles that try and conflate kids going through hormone therapy with psycho-leftist parents doing mass grooming.
Doesn’t look like this guy gives a shit about LGBTQ civil rights. But those that do are chronically aware of how simply being queer can get you tossed in the same category as creeps and predators.
Yeah, there have been some cases of “pedo hunters” here; turned out to be a flimsy cover story for violent nazis.
It’s, uh, not a topic suited for thoughtless entertainment.
Social media dorks keep trying to emulate hansen but keep “accidentally” getting the wrong person. And when they do get the right person all it does is warn them they got got and it’s time to skedaddle before the actual cops show up.
I also remember hearing somewhere that the show tainted so many cases with bad practices and horrible evidence gathering techniques that they couldn’t get convictions once the proper authorities were involved.
Sexuality in general isn’t a good topic for public debate, as it is highly personal, highly nuanced, and few people even want to touch the nastier issues related to it, because it gets BAD. When nobody is getting hurt, it’s nobody else’s business, but when people are getting hurt, just knowing about it can damage people’s mental health. At the risk of getting banned, I’ll point out a few of the things that nobody wants to discuss, for good reason.
NSFL
Killing/eating people is an actual fetish
Children who are raped often develop similar sexual desires as their rapists, be it age and/or orientation
Corruption/deceit is an actual fetish
I’m tapping out here instead of wracking my brain for more, because I’m already making myself sick remembering things I’ve seen.
Seriously though, I’m personally quite upset with the vast quantity of pornography available online, because I feel strongly that exposing children to such sexual material (don’t pretend it’s reasonable for anyone to be able to keep them away from it) has a serious negative impact upon their development, speaking as someone who was once a child on the Internet.
Sexuality in general isn’t a good topic for public debate
The topic typically revolves around the idea of “public safety”. But public safety in the American context appears to be fixated on state surveillance and the prosecution of religious taboos. The end result is a country where things that are taboo (namely publicly facing queer sexuality) get pursued aggressively while things that aren’t taboo (older richer whiter men taking advantage of their younger and more vulnerable peers in cloistered settings) get swept under the rug. And the end game is the local news running mugshots of the poorest, saddest, ugliest fucks on the planet for soliciting publicly, while the owners of the parent media companies do Epstein tier shit in the executive lounge of a remote island high rise.
Sexuality and its criminality mirrors the expression of the social power dynamic. You didn’t see Chris Hansen catching anyone in $10,000 business suit on his show.
Republicans, by boldly overlooking large quantities of sexual misconduct committed by many of their most prominent members, show horny 20 year old male voters that it’s ok. The GOP understands and tolerates them.
Rape culture? On MY Lemmy?
Yah that post is gross. I’d remove it.
There’s your reason why.
The pedo holds the reins.
Block the community, block the user, move on.
Should probably report this stuff to their instance admins. That way it disappears completely, that’s a better solution than pretending things don’t exist, especially when it comes to shit like this where the person is a pedophile.
I’d also suggest letting your local instance admins know about it since once they know they can ban the user with content removal which will wipe out he community on those instances as well.
Yeah, quite aware that’s the mod and thought I said as much. Should I reword it to make it clearer that both the mods I refer to are the same?
You can DM the instance admins and report directly. I’ve had to do that for a single-moderator community before, where the mod could operate with relative impunity.
Whoops I read too quickly is all. Need more coffee, clearly.
Gross. I’ve been on here since the reddit exodus. Found my first user to block.
That OP must be a nonce, a rapist, or both.
Yikes, that post has a real ick factor! Like a pedo apologist’s essay, and what do you want to bet he’s a horny 20 yo?
The part that really squicked me out was combining the drinking with the underage. Like they need to impair a naive person’s judgement even more to have a chance. No way this guy has any game.
I’ve seen someone on lemmy make that very same argument. That person seems quite delusional.
Social Media can agree on two thinga:
- luigi did nothing wrong
- Pedos go into the woodchipper
One caveat to the second one. Child molesters go into the woodchipper. As long as they’re a “nonpracticing” pedo who is going to therapy and knows that their attraction to children is wrong then they’re fine. It is a mental illness after all. But the moment they do anything to a child then straight to a woodchipper, do not pass go, do not collect $200.
1000% and thank you for clarifying this, it is a very important distinction!
Remove all nuance and go with the crowd
Free Luigi.
We can’t agree on these two things as a society, we will never get universal health IMHO
I think you may wanna look outside the lands of America and UK
TBH UK has NHS but their owner clsss is gutting it.
Either I’m banned or they don’t federate with lemm.ee
What was the post about?
Edit who downvotes such a question?
This /C is some dude posting his ideas, that are mostly shit, and looks like it aways come to the point of having sex with teens, no matter the subject
Yea i cant see it either, says post doesnt exist. They must’ve deleted it out of shame.
Yeah, post has been deleted, and was locked before that.
I downvote random posts all the time while scrolling. I like to think I usually catch it but I’m sure I miss a few. Whenever I get random downvotes on innocuous comments I just assume it’s from someone else doing the same.
Man, I’m glad I’m not the only one. Conversely I hate when I up vote really bad stuff on accident.
Think they may have removed the community because of the attention.
Yikes, PTB
He’s a pedophile apologist too, which makes it so much worse.
What is PTB? I assume it’s not about tuberculosis but that’s all I’m finding.
Sidebar has a few of the commonly used abbreviations for this community. Ptb is power tripping bastard.
Oh Jesus, I miss the obvious things, for some reason I thought it was some other kind of slang. I need more sleep.
Thanks!
holy shit. ew. ptb. but also ew.
