• jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    265
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    16 days ago

    In posts on X following the incident, Tesla CEO Elon Musk called the incidents “terrorism” and said the company “just makes electric cars and has done nothing to deserve these evil attacks.”

    OK buddy.

    • samus12345@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      120
      arrow-down
      9
      ·
      16 days ago

      The cars suck, but he’s right that the company hasn’t done anything to deserve this. He’s the one who chose to make himself the face of Tesla, though, so however people feel about him, they’ll feel about any business he owns.

      Terrorism, though? Hardly. It’s protest. He’s the one doing terrorism by dismantling the government.

    • ragingdachshund@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      29
      ·
      15 days ago

      It’s not terrorism. They were just peacefully touring the dealerships. Just like January 6. Peacefully touring.

    • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      15 days ago

      “Evil attacks”, like we’re killing puppies, or something.

      It’s vandalism against machines, and the only victim here is the insurance companies.

      • Furbag@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        7
        ·
        15 days ago

        “Evil attacks”, like we’re killing puppies, or something.

        Leave the puppy killing to the expert, Kristi Noem.

      • MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        15 days ago

        Also some people who bought teslas before all this happened having their rates go up. And the people who had their Tesla vandalized or totaled who didn’t get a good enough payout from insurance to replace it (if you’ve ever dealt with insurance you know you’re not getting the actual value back). I’m not saying I’m losing sleep over it, but still.

        I had a friend buy a Tesla after Elon was talking about buying twitter but before one could objectively say he went full fash, and I told him he’d be embarrassed about it eventually. He went through with it because it had X features or whatnot. Do I feel bad for him? A little, but it’s not like the writing wasn’t on the wall. Obviously once Elon was with Trump 24/7 he said he regretted it, but it’s a bit late for that.

        There’s no ethical consumption under capitalism, so it sucks to see consumers be targeted, but I understand. I have a phone and I’m sure somewhere child slavery was involved. Does that make me a bad person? Yes, the answer is objectively yes. We’re all making shitty choices every day and if one day someone decides to draw the line and I’m on the wrong side of it, I guess I’ll just have to cope. That’s kinda how I feel about it. So Tesla owners are being harmed too, but I don’t know that I’d call them victims of anything except their own decisions. I’m not sure they deserve it all equally, but we all kinda suck so whatever.

  • ssillyssadass@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    145
    ·
    15 days ago

    Problem with setting Teslas on fire is we can’t know if it’s an act of protest or if they just did that on their own.

  • curmudge_john@lazysoci.al
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    107
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    edit-2
    16 days ago

    We know that Teslas sometimes just catch fire on their own.

    We also know that sometimes Tesla drivers will set their cars on fire themselves on purpose. Because of that…

    We also know that Elon has a backdoor into all Teslas.

    Now ask yourself which is more likely, the woke liberal crybabies actually causing violence or a drug addled and politically embattled CEO of a company that lost 50% of its value in the past 3 months creating a false flag to villainize the left and get insurance to cover damage to the vehicles he can’t sell?

    /s (kind of)

    • slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      20
      ·
      15 days ago

      If unsold teslas catch fire, i’m convinced it’s some insurance scam. A car sold and a car gone that they can’t fix anyway

    • Hello Hotel@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      15 days ago

      Wdym by “backdoor into all Teslas”

      • This could mean “taking an industry standard sorfware update feature and making it abusively aggressive to or push malware to end users”
      • it could mean “grants tesla 25-75% of the car’s controls from the internet”
      • it could mean the former AND “grants access to diagnostics, settings and controls the consumer cannot access themselves”
      • it could also mean “can run arbitrary code on your tesla at any time with little or no notice”
      • SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        15 days ago

        What I know from publicly-confirmed information: Tesla (hence Musk) have access to the camera feeds, GPS location, remote unlock, remote control of the driving at least sufficient to back the car out of a parking stall to facilitate repossession, and, of course, remote software update. The latter could provide full remote access to everything through new software.

    • cynar@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      44
      ·
      15 days ago

      It’s obviously the MAGA crowd. They’ve spent years complaining about electric vehicles. They’ve just escalated that to burning them out. The police need to go have a nice chat with the rolling coal types.

    • Jax@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      3
      ·
      15 days ago

      Maybe, maybe this is actually stochastic terrorism being carried out by MAGA themselves.

      Think about it, their plan is to declare martial law - right? Conservatives already hate EVs, they think that Trump is a ‘good’ billionaire while billionaires like Gates are ‘bad’ billionaires - I don’t think it would take much to make Musk out to be a ‘bad’ billionaire.

      Idk if this is as clear as ‘good guys vs bad guys’ - these are freedom fighters, but it’s never been clearer that a lot of people are divided on what ‘free’ actually means. You shouldn’t assume that the people doing this are actually on your side.

  • silverlose@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    54
    arrow-down
    2
    ·
    15 days ago

    Been thinking about this a lot. They can say it’s terrorism. History is written by the winners.

    But…

    Rebellion is constitutional, but not legal. If you rebel, you die a terrorist or live a hero. Not much middle ground.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    53
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    16 days ago

    I have never, and will never, see anyone vandalize a Tesla. 🙈

  • LucidLyes@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    37
    ·
    15 days ago

    “Trump administration looking to categorize Tesla vandalism as domestic terrorism” Because Republicans are cowards without principles who can never even think of opposing him.

  • futatorius@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    32
    ·
    edit-2
    14 days ago

    Some advice for demonstrations (including propaganda of the deed):

    • Wear a ski mask. Wear rubber gloves.
    • Wear anonymous clothing.
    • Don’t trust phones. Don’t use them to plan, and leave them turned on at home.
    • Use a cell structure to organize, and share info on a need-to-know basis only.
    • Assume there are not only cameras but microphones.
    • Don’t drive anywhere near the location of the demo. Ride-haining services are even worse. Don’t even cycle in unless you can go off-road.
    • Distinguish individuals’ property from corporate property.
    • The goal is to live to fight another day. A fair fight is one in which you don’t get hurt.
    • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      ·
      14 days ago

      Not having the phone with you is critical. But I assume planning is done on a laptop or desktop that is obviously not taken with?

      • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        14 days ago

        Yep, anonymous browsers, burner accounts, and a VPN if you can. Privacy.sexy is your friend too.

        You just want to set yourself up as best you can for the defense of “you can’t prove that was me.”

        • Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          1
          ·
          14 days ago

          Tor browser/ I use a VPN most of the time. But for REALLY sensitive shit I turn Tor on. A lot of stuff can be purged off your computer. I use Windows 11 (haven’t migrated to Linux yet! Ugh!) but I have some failsafes to reduce my location data and the amount I am exposed. It isn’t perfect (nothing is) but it is better than nothing.

  • Beej Jorgensen@lemmy.sdf.org
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    30
    ·
    16 days ago

    I have zero evidence Musk ordered the Tesla vandalism. Which, coincidentally, is exactly how surprised I’d be to find out he had.