Lottery winner or parents’ home?
I just bought my father a flat with some spare cash. I live in a rich country and he lives in a poor one. So, no need for rich parents or a lottery, just the right place :)
OP actually has an affordable reality here. Its cities that are expensive, not rural areas and small houses. It depends on the location, but this is usually the case. The further away from urban centers you are, the less expensive it gets to buy. From my experience, a small city apartment costs the same as a spacious house with land outside of the city. There’s drawbacks to both, pick your poison.
Its cities that are expensive
Cities have public transport which are much less expensive per capita than maintaining individually owned automobiles and the associated asphalt road networks. Additionally, electrical, water, and communication infrastructure are orders of magnitude less costly with higher density housing simply due to lower distances between service points; this is why federal grants are often required to pay for infrastructure like rural broadband: suburbs and rural towns are not cost effective to develop to the same degree as cities.
Ultimately, I imagine most people who say cities are expensive say so because they their personal comfort zone is measured in acres, not square feet.
Living in a city requires daily communication and coöperation with your neighbors; you can’t burn your trash, roll coal, park your half dozen clunkers nearby, litter your surroundings with pet droppings, or blast your music out your windows without risking getting lawsuits filed and your checking account emptied in retribution.
My only metric for affordability was land price per m². Cost of utilities depends on size, small house wont be much more than an apartment. Of course this all depends on the location.
Maybe the US is different but all your points about freedom to do anything outside of cities is pretty much the same as in cities. Even though I live in a house, I cant just burn trash in it, I’ll get fined if I don’t pick up my dogs shit off the roads and I cant blast music after 10PM. The same laws apply. Cooperation with neighbors is there about as much as it is in the cities.
I think we probably have vastly different view points on what rural means. In my country, rural is not the middle of nowhere where I can do whatever I want. Such rural environment are uncommon here. “Outside of cities” here means living in close proximity to 100-200 other houses in a village. Rural middle of nowhere isn’t really a thing here.
Or just not living in the regions where it’s super expensive to buy a house… We just moved out of a small city with all services (hospital, groceries, sewers, water, cultural events…) and a house like OP is describing would have been super cheap, hell in a village 10 minutes away there was a project to complete that would have cost about 150k total (purchase + finishing the project) and that was a two floors house with a half acre lot…
So I’m longer in the tooth now nearing 50. Got 3 kids. My intention when my kids finish high school is to go back to the small towns from whence I came. City living is so goddamn expensive now. I can buy 50 acres for slightly more than what I pay for a 30*150 lot with a semi-detached home.
I’m gonna Christopher Robin my life when I nope out of IT and with luck build houses for my kids and build a homestead.
This is the way folks. Protect you and yours the best you can.
Unrelated, but:
from whence
Did you know “whence” means “from where,” so it’s not really necessary to say “from whence?” It’s not a mistake, exactly, because “from whence” has been around forever and is considered acceptable usage. “Whence” without the “from” seems, though, to be more correct in a sense, and has certainly been more common for a long time.
Decent discussion with interesting links: https://english.stackexchange.com/q/10906
Do it now. Land doesn’t go down in price unfortunately.
I would if it were not for the complexity of child support I don’t want to do my ex dirty like that. I’m ready to shift careers but that will mean a major pay cut
Its basically what I have except that I have rented the other room to a friend of mine.
Anon about to find out economies of scale. That garden isn’t enough to feed him year-round.
Anon wasn’t trying to live off the land, just to have a hobby
Knowing 4chan, this smelled like a trad fantasy.
“Large garden, because I love plants” equates to “I want to grow enough to feed myself” in your mind? Bit of a stretch there.
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Is Anon dreaming of dacha? Because it sounds same.
The problem with living on the edge of the countryside is that eventually somebody else builds on the countryside part and you’re just living in another crappy suburb.
My advice in that case is to immediately plant some trees around the perimeter of your property and turn it into a little isolated grove
A man grove, with a man cave.
I have dreamed of this lifestyle for over 20 years, and just moved here a few months ago.
Septic is installed, we live in an RV. Just got this land leveled and ready to move the RV into place next to the storage containers we have. Right across the driveway will be a large garden area, but right now we only have a compost pile so far.
A neighbor said they will help us with chickens, so we only need some fence and feed. Things move slowly, but we are excited to jump into this lifestyle. Fresh air and beautiful views.
What do you do for water?
Currently getting water from a purification machine at the store, it’s expensive but we use very little right now. (42 cents per gallon)
We just got a 2,500 gallon tank, after I finish the plumbing I plan to order water delivery, should be about $200 to fill the tank. (Less than 1 cent per gallon)
After that I’m making a roof and collecting rain water. (Free water)
how far away does the water delivery come from?
I think it’s a local company, Met them at a local event for the alternative buildings and living off grid. We also met a lot of YouTubers there, it was super chill.
When I call them, I want to ask if it’s from a well, is it drinkable, etc. I do have filters and the UV light for water that I will add eventually.
If you don’t mind me asking. Where are you located that you are able to do this?
Arizona has several counties that are not as strict and allow a lot of alternative living options.
What do u do for a living
I run a few online businesses (streaming, YouTube, eBay), but had to put all that on hold as we were moving and getting settled here. Just about out of our savings, but we are very close to starting the business back up. I think maybe 1-2 weeks.
There is always set backs working here off grid, example is yesterday I was cleaning land to move the RV and the track came off the excavator. It looks like a simple fix on YouTube but it’s raining now lol
I want either a Swiss Family Robinson style treehouse or a spaceship.
I’ll get the house, you the spaceship and we swap every other year or so?
I want a house with a walled courtyard/atrium between the house and garage. I also want an underground space like a hobbit hole crossed with a bomb shelter.
Listed at only $4.3M
Everybody wants that edge of city and country feel. It makes them feel like they don’t live in the city but they still have all the amenities a city offers close by. And thus the Suburban experiment was born and has ultimately destroyed north american cities and created an affordability crisis for housing.
well you can’t blame it all on “living on the edge of a city”. IMO HOAs have done a substantial part of the harm, creating the sterile and hostile-to-teenage-life experience, and then there’s zoning laws which make it impossible to get communal activity, like a small bar or club right between the houses, and then there’s the lack of public transport …
One thing is missing. Family… A loving partner, maybe some years pass and some children…
Bought 5 acres (with 1.5 of those acres flat on a hill) about ~20 min outside a medium city, ~1 hour equidistant from 2 very large cities. Geotechnical engineers have been to the property, report submitted to the county (took months). Sewage engineers have been out to the property and approved the drain field (took weeks). Well will be drilled once the county approves the build site. It’s slow going but it will be worth it in the end! My only fear is trump cancelling the rural broadband fund as I am slated to get the fiber cable run to my property line within a year. Staying with starlink for longer will not be awesome, but oh well, sacrifice.
Anon accidently envisions a solarpunk-esque lifestyle
what’s solar punk?
Like steampunk, but instead of steam, it’s solar.
What counts as a big garden, I would like bigger but my bungalow is on a 150m² total property area, 60m² of that is the indoor area. Spent quite a bit to have the concrete paved across the entire garden removed and I did all the labour myself with a sledgehammer. IIRC it was 8m³ of that crap.
Now mine is the only house on the street that you can see real bees at. My “lawn is untidy”? Fuck off, that is a meadow and it is glorious! As I am British there is no HOA for you to cry to. I am free to make the bees happy.
Unless it gets to the point I am blocking out the sun to the houses nearby there is fuck all anyone can do about my garden.
What counts as a big garden, I would like bigger but my bungalow is on a 150m² total property area
And here I am thinking 600m² is small garden.
Fucking hell that is a massive area. Wish I could even hope to ever afford so much space.
I guess I realistically could buy that much land without a house on it if I wanted to buy some woodland or something like that, but it probably wouldn’t be anywhere near where I actually live and wouldn’t be allowed to live on the land.
I love it! Bonus points if it turns to a bog in the winter, so I can collect potion ingredients.
Raising a toast to you and your bee friends
I bought bee flower seeds, its a pretty large container (think half a Pringles can). I just sprinkle them around in my neighborhood. 😁. Can’t wait for the day weird flowers are starting to popup everywhere.
I should seedbomb the neighbourhood with my kid. He’d be good at that.
Nah I’ll take the city thanks. I would like a functional bus service and be able to walk places.
Also bathroom, kitchen and livingroom possibly together, bedroom, and maybe. Maybe! An office.
Man that was a good year before the rent increase and subsequent eviction.
