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    I think the grand plan is to find somebody who messes up Europe from the inside, so that Americans don’t notice the difference too much.

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    First France, now Germany. Seems Europe (at least some of us) has decided it won’t sit idly and let far-right extremists burn us to the ground.

    Although these are all provisional fixes. The true solution would be to get the people to ditch these idiots, and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media. Democracy can’t survive if the voting base is too ignorant to choose its leaders.

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      Democracy can’t survive if the voting base is too ignorant misinformed to choose its leaders.

      People not knowing enough IS bad for democracy, but the fact that they “know” so many objectively false and harmful things is MUCH worse.

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        Education allows you to reason about what you’re being told and filter out a lot of the bad stuff. It’s not perfect, but it helps you spot egregious “facts” and label the speaker appropriately as untrustworthy.

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          But you used to have to go find them. Now they’re being inserted right into your feed.

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            And the algorithms are tuned to do it. Russia wants to run a disinformation campaign on Meta platforms and twitter? Well the owners of meta and twitter are both in favor of that type of disinformation being disseminated because it benefits them personally

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      This is not a fix at all in Germany. There are no immediate repercussions of the Verfassungsschutz calling the AfD extremist. There might be more wind in the sails of the politicians that want a motion to ban them, but I’m definitely not holding my breath for it during a Merz administration.

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        Germany should just ban Xitter. That’s where most of this nazi infection is coming from.

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          No, most of it is coming from BILD and the other traditional media that poisons our public political discourse for decades.

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        I agree, it’s not a fix. However it’s also not just “calling them extremist”. It’s an official classification not just something haphazardly mentioned in a speech.

        The move, announced Friday by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution (BfV), means that the AfD is no longer merely under suspicion. The agency says it now has definitive evidence that the party works against Germany’s democratic system.

        A 1,000-page internal report, according to German public broadcaster ARD, underpins the decision, citing violations of core constitutional principles such as human dignity and the rule of law.

        The new classification doesn’t ban the party, but it allows German authorities to intensify surveillance, including the use of undercover informants and monitoring communications, under judicial oversight.

        Politico

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        Hypocrites the lot of them.

        He has said many times there should be term limits on MPs and low and behold he is parachuting into Alberta just like a good little hypocrite does.

        Imagine someone conservative running against him as an independent and winning.

        That would be priceless. Are there any anti fascists conservatives living in the Battle River area?

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      Make political advertisement / political messaging illegal on entertainment platforms. There’s precedent for highly regulated TV advertisements, why is there such a broad exception for unregulated manipulative online advertising? Why is cigarette, religious, drug advertising forbidden but political lies and agendas allowed, endorsed even? Fines need to be 50% of monthly worldwide profit and increase by 5% for each month of noncompliance.

      This simple legislation would instantly solve a lot of current issues with what’s wrong and protect free, democratic nations.

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        Fines need to be 50% of monthly worldwide profit and increase by 5% for each month of noncompliance.

        Profit is a bad metric here, they have decades of experience pretending they have no profits. Make it 10% of company value each month.

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      Yeah you should ban their media, books, speech & lock them up. That’ll teach them about fascism alright.

      On a more serious note, all this decision by Germany does is make groups like AfD stronger.

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        You can’t fight fascism on the marketplace of ideas. The moment you sit at the table to talk, they spring up and punch you in the face.

        Limiting circulation of fake news, holding those who spread it accountable, and forcing social networks to moderate their platform if they want to operate in the EU, should be the priority.

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        “fight disinformation” =/= " ban their media, books, speech & lock them up"

        You really gave that strawman a good beating though.

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        You kinda have a point. If we fight fascism using fascist methods, we only empower it because suddenly they feel oppressed. But we do need to fight misinformation. But our polititians are so incredibly tech illiterate.

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          They started out feeling oppressed even when nobody did anything to them, based entirely on misinformation.

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      and to do that, we need to fight disinformation and far-right propaganda on social media.

      Nope. I mean it’s not wrong to do that, but it would be mistaken to see that as anything but a flanking measure: You can’t fight affect with cognition. We need real-world policy which alleviates people’s anxieties.

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    Yes, Classify AfD as extremists.

    Because that worked so well with the NSDAP…

    (Want to clarify, yes, AfD is bad. I just think we are cooked at this point)

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    Yeah no wonder. The administration he’s part of is behaving unconstitutionally, so it’s only logical he would condemn the Office for the Protection of the Constitution in other countries for doing its job. Can’t have that if you want to erode the democratic basic order.

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    Yes Marco. Yeees. Dance for daddy 47. Daddy 47 won’t deport you to CECOT if you do what he says. Normalize fascism globally Marco for daddy 47 and grandaddy KGB potato. It won’t get you specifically killed. Not so long as you dance the dance and sing the song, Marco. Never mind that most of the people in CECOT danced the dance and sang the song. Their only crime was looking like you in daddy 47’s eyes. But you’re different Marco. You’re daddy 47’s favorite. Sure he’s backstabbed everyone who’s ever helped him almost immediately. He’s gone back on every deal he’s ever made. But you Marco. You’ll survive. Sure there’s no evidence to demonstrate you’ll be okay given the totality of everything.

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    Note to the world, if Trump or his cronies condemn you for something, you’re doing the right thing.

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    “American Nazi Party Leader Condemns Foreign Government for Classifying Nazis as Nazis”

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      They are certainly not nazis. The Nazis were organized and not lazy. The Nazis actually believed their own bullshit. The Nazis had intelligence and cunning. Trump has none of these things. He is the dumbest laziest dictator the world has ever seen.