I agree with this, but also the “muh tax dollars” talking point is full of flaws. We haven’t even balanced the budget in almost thirty years. The government is debt spending. It’s not even “your money” (whatever that would mean because greenbacks are literally state property printed by the state) because “your money” doesn’t cover diddly squat.
They’re printing fresh currency, and handing out bank transfers to the people at the top of the economy everyday because “your money” was handed out twice already.
Let the kids eat for free on the fucking government tab, just like you let Israel genocide for free on the government tab.
Not exactly.
The federal government has achieved fiscal balance (even surpluses) in just seven periods since 1776, bringing in enough revenue to cover all of its spending during 1817-21, 1823-36, 1852-57, 1867-73, 1880-93, 1920-30 and 1998-2001. We have also experienced six depressions. They began in 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893 and 1929.
I’m not calling for a balanced budget. I’m saying “muh tax dollars” is a shit argument.
No large economy has a balanced budget.
Except Germany for some years. Which led to us now having an infrastructure debt of 400 billion.
Even looking at this selfishly, those kids are going to be adults, members of society. The better we set them up for success, the better our communities can be. This has got to be one of the cheapest investments in fighting crime and poverty.
Why do animals feed their young? Why should we not feed our children as civilized humans?
Animals are socialist and communist. I am capitalist. Capital rulezzzz!!
What animals feed their young? Plenty eat their young.
Mammals feed their young.
Birds also famously do this
For a few weeks, if the young are lucky.
It’s always a laugh to watch people make confident assertions on topics they know nothing about.
It’s a laugh indeed. Maybe read what filial cannibalism is and next time no one will laugh at you.
I’m a biologist mate, you’re talking out your arse.
Well, at least you’re not Napoleon today.
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There’s this class of animals with a special organ just for doing that. Infact using that organ to feed their young is so special to them, they named themselves, their planet, and the whole galaxy after it. The galaxy twice. Called mammals you fucking boob.
It’s a much smaller number of animals that feed each others young though.
I had no idea that “galaxy” ultimately derived from the Greek word for milk!
Not following on the planet one though. Almost every word for the planet we’re on in as many languages as I can think of has the name for Earth being roughly synonymous with the substance upon which we walk.
Doing some digging I found some references to it being like the word for “under the stars”, “the place where humans are”, “everything surrounded by water”, “where you can hear the thunder”, “deep”, “round”, “life” and my favorite: “turtle”.Are you delusional?
Are you being intentionally obtuse, or are you actually this fucking dense?
Are you talking to yourself? Visit a doctor maybe.
Dense then. Welcome to Blocksville.
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It is not, all public schools where I live are prepared to handle this, there are nation-wide protocols for it.
My kid has a severe food allergy, and has to carry adrenaline pens with him at all times.
This was documented in the enrollment process, and this “flag” prompts action by a bunch of different people, like the nutritionist that creates the school meal plans so that they can adjust his, and also the meal prep workers, who will avoid contamination when preparing the meals.
The health services that work with the school are also informed, and they include this in school health prep plan, which eventually causes the teacher and helping staff to receive training on how to identify allergic symptoms and how to administer the adrenaline pens, and cautions that need to be taken when food is around.
Do you think that letting kids starve or die because of a food allergy is a better alternative, or what? This is literally what I pay taxes for, so that all kids (not just mine) can learn and have a full belly.
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Don’t think the op was implying anything other than that food is a lot more complicated than it used to be.
I’ve worked in restaurants with similar issues.
Trying to provide at least 2 vegan options and gluten free options for starters, mains, and desserts without creating an overly bloated menu and decent variety is really a nightmare. Especially when you want to rotate dishes every month or 2.
School lunches are never elaborate or fancy - no one expects anything complicated.
You can always do better and maybe should, but we’ve seen
- there’s always a salad option. A lot of days that’s the vegetarian choice and the allergy choice.
- some kids will always have reason to bring lunches anyway. You’ll never be perfect but a small number of exceptions is no excuse for not providing for as many as you can
- any small to medium school can probably react to their students needs. Our school was able to adjust for a fish choice for lent at the request of several students
This is the problem with everything in the US. We don’t settle on anything or finish the argument. We’re just stuck in an endless cycle of debate and argument rather than using knowledge and understanding to just answer the fucking question. Like trans rights and abortion is simply about body autonomy, or health insurance and wages is about ensuring a better more stable economy and healthier population. Instead we endlessly argue culture, religion, and price rather than progress and dividends through our actions. It’s infuriating but how do we change it?
While I understand the sentiment, I think it’s a little over the top despairing. Kids DO get free lunch and breakfast where I live. The district and parents banded together to even make sure this continued all throughout COVID.
“Where I live” is the best I can do. I can’t guarantee it gets done everywhere. But I also don’t want to act like nothing ever gets done anywhere. While you’re cursing the darkness, a lot of people are out there lighting candles.
Same here. Free lunches for all …. And there are still conservatives who actually proposed fingerprint readers to prevent any kid from getting extras. What. The. Fuck.
Eat the rich.
Many of the cyclical culture war issues are largely manufactured by those in power to divide us.
Remove those in power.
Educate people away from hyper individualism.
As for specifics, I’m not totally sure, but this seems a general good place to start.
Eat the rich.
We have free school lunches paid for by a new “millionaires tax”!
The mega rich “philanthropists” give a million dollars to some cause and they’re hailed as generous. Like Bill Gates.
If he alone paid his taxes, we’d have 100 billion and this wouldn’t even be a question: should we feed hungry school kids?
Fuck off with your philanthropy. Pay your fair share for benefitting from the system you helped make, you fucks.
Indeed. Culture, Politics, Religion, law and justice, end up becoming bad seeds in society because they get twisted to their extremes by the rich and powerful. Especially if you are religious. That bowing to authority in God makes it easier to just trust leadership without questioning that leaderships authority. We’ve created entire societies willing to fight inwards with each other because it is easier to trust and scapegoat than to question and be free.
But have you considered that if the kids aren’t starving, they might not yearn for the mines?
Yet they will defend a clump of cells that mean nothing till the day they die.
Once they exit the womb, they are not pro life
They are not pro-anything, they are not even “pro-birth” as people often say because they don’t allow for live saving procedures that could allow a mother to abort a non viable pregnancy and try again.
They are simply anti-abortion that’s where their position starts and ends.
they are not even “pro-birth” as people often say because they don’t allow for live saving procedures that could allow a mother to abort a non viable pregnancy and try again.
This is why I call them forced-birthers.
You’re gonna have that kid if it kills you.
- republicans
Agree 100%
They don’t give a duck about the fetus, they just want to tell women what to do with their bodies.
If kids are hungry at school, that means they haven’t earned their food yet.
If they worked in the mines, they could at least afford lunch.
Great argument for lowering the age limit for work on kids, amirite?
Indeed! Why’s there a limit in stone countries in the first place?
*But feeding them doesn’t benefit me.
*every republicunt ever.
“Fuck you, I’ve got mine” seems to be the mantra of a shockingly large number of people.
They’ll still say they follow Jesus or whatever, lol. Is it illiteracy, arrested mental development or simply hypocrisy? I don’t think I’ve ever been stupid nor evil enough to relate…
It actually does, but then one doesn’t like to offer the utilitarian argument for feeding children. If it has to be debated down at that level, the day is already lost.
The school to prison pipeline starts with making kids feel hopeless.
There is a reason why Trump and his fellow traitors are investing in third party prison administration.
No. Don’t look at actual state prisons … not those. They are investing in fast setup detention facilities, presumably for ICE. Doesn’t Trump seem way too interested in prisons all of a sudden?
Ain’t it funny how the factory doors close
Around the time that school doors close
Around the time that a hundred thousand jail cells
Open up to greet you like the reaper
That is the most made-up exchange I’ve ever heard. Has this guy ever talked to a conservative about this stuff??
The person complaining wouldn’t agree that kids shouldn’t be hungry, they’d complain about the kid’s parents not working hard enough.
“The argument SHOULD just go like this”
In the fictional world that this story takes place in, the conversation wouldn’t happen at all
Yes, it is made up, he even said as much and that’s why it’s sad. It’s sad because it should be like that and that should be then end of it. You have identified the entire point of the post so rest assured that they know what conservatives have to say and they know that it’s bullshit.
In the world where conservatives, well, don’t exist(the people do but the ideology is gone to the landfill where it belongs) all of the excuses and bungus follow-ups like stuff about the parents would just not be important or said.
Nah, I’ve pretty much had this exact conversation with people before. Depending on how you frame the question, you generally will get this exact response.
You’re okay with a child going hungry because their parents “didn’t work hard enough”?
Schools have larger class sizes, a lack of supplies, they’ve integrated mentally challenged people into standard grades which distrupts the entire class. School lunches is only the tip of the problem.
Taxes pay for the building, the heating, the electricity, the teacher salaries, the lunch tables, the trays, the cafeteria staff salaries…but also paying for the food so that all that other expense isn’t wasted because the kids aren’t paying attention is apparently too far
And that’s what gets me. Taxes pay for so much of that, and adding school lunch is a much smaller investment toward getting successful use out of those expensive resources. Even in utilitarian terms, free school lunch has a high return on investment.
And forget means testing: have you seen how cheap school lunches are per kid? How can you justify means testing and enforcement that will cost much more than just equal treatment no matter each kids financial circumstances
You can do better: you could build trains or a power grid.
Feeding kids = socialism = communism = bad devil stuff
-pretty much every MAGAT
Giving free stuff to the rich == good!
That’s just good Jesus stuff.