• shawn1122@lemm.ee
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    The funny thing is what he’s offering here is also just words.

    You’re going to need more than just gradually escalating calls to action to fix this problem.

    I know that I also am just offering words but I’m not worth half a billion dollars with a broad domestic and global audience nor am I American.

    I hope he puts his money where his mouth is and goes even a step further.

    We’re should be past the point of people telling each other to do something about it.

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    Sit down and shut up Dave. You held a fund raiser for Biden who hasn’t been home for years (poor guy) and had no business running for president.

    At least be honest, show some integrity, and call all spades, spades.

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      Whataboutism can be saved for when the immediate threats are handled. Putting an upper age limit on elected offices can help as a start.

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      As a foreigner Biden seemed have a good economy for you USA americans, sure we would have loved a harder stance on Russia but it’s incomparable.

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    Put your money where your mouth is, Letterman. You’re worth almost a half billion, so what are you risking other that being just another rich guy telling others to do the heavy lifting while you stay nice and safe?

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      Sad to say that in a fascist regime, even speaking up like this puts a target on Letterman’s back. Trump is thin-skinned and petty.

      Moving the average at “something is wrong” towards “let’s do something about it” is a step in the right direction.

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        Unfortunately it will take popular people being targeted with severe injustice to raise the ire of the public at large. If high profile wealth wants to play it safe the masses will suffer much greater losses before change can be effected.

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      And just what is it exactly that you are risking here just calling it down online on a forum?

      What is it you hope to achieve here in a world of updoots voters and influencers?

      You’re playing the exact same game.

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        You don’t know what we’ve done. I can’t doxx myself to tell you what my family will likely be dealing with thanks to political action. Suffice to say we’ll probably be single income in short order, at least for a while, thanks to actual risk taken.

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          Nope. That is some bullshit. I smell a bot. I don’t believe you. Another story you can easily make up online. So again, you’re doing nothing different in the mode of delivering a message online for a reaction.

          And you refused to Answer my question: what was it you’re hoping to achieve by talking down positive speeches here?

          Making people feel like shit. Discourage. Minimize. That is what you’re doing here.

          I have zero tolerance for this infighting bullshit you’re trying to shit stir here. pretending to be a dem attacking other dems is only the exact type of shit that a Russian bot does. They lie a lot online to manipulate people.

          Not on my watch.

          Go huff your farts Russian bot.

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            Lol, what is it you’re hoping to achieve other than some sort of derisive and smug retort, and don’t shift the goalposts to it being about positive speeches instead of risk. I’l live with the fact I won’t doxx myself, guess you’re gonna have to too. Russian bot? Omg, seriously? No “bot” would have my history here. Grow up.

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        That’s not at all true. Totally different circumstances and stakes. They’re saying that this guy has a massive fortune that could go toward this directly. They’re not saying “What are you doing other than speaking up?” as if it just stops there and Letterperson needs to “get in the streets” or something.

        Think about it like this. If it’s true that he could spend $250M and still not feel a dent, imagine what he could fund. Independent media. Thousands of artists. Political canvassers. Twitch streamers. Progressive software companies. So many ideas. That’s what they’re talking about, not whether or not he shows up at the local DSA.

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          You believe he’s doing nothing because why? He said this, and he has resources. I assume he’s acting as well.

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            Agreed. As is his followers. Followers also have power to act. This is why I don’t get why people call down these messages. It just seems like the wrong fight to pick here. It’s infighting and it’s helping no one. It needs to stop.

            I bet these are just russian bots they talk about controlling the media and shit stirring. Watch how they don’t respond to you now that you called it out. It’s the same on Reddit only on there you and I would be banned by now.

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          Noted. But he also has supporters who are also rich who could also do this. So I don’t see why making a statement was wrong. It just seems like the wrong fight to pick and useless. This. This is the infighting the right use against the left all the time and you’re ensuring it is successful. You’re not here to help anyone.

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            Having a discussion and clarifying how you were wrong isn’t infighting, son. It’s not a fight at all. It’s just a random sentence and that person made a comment suggesting he should do more. I don’t really care. I’m not here to do activism but I’m willing to help you if you want.

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              son

              Talking down isn’t the behaviour of someone in a legitimate discussion. Let alone help.

              You are no ally.

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        Garbage in, garbage out.

        We’ve got a mass media that exists to pump everyone’s brains full of Fear, Uncertainty, and Distraction.

        From local “If it bleeds, it leads” news coverage to shopping aisles full of celebrity gossip and fad diet magazines to damned near every radio channel in America being operated by two companies that are owned by white supremacist families… we’re all living in a soup of ignorance and hate. We have been since we were born.

        Is it any surprise more people are angry at Muslim migrants than local mega-churches? That foreign governments are more vilified than domestic lobbying firms? That the homosexual agenda is scarier than climate change?

        Whining about “the people” seems short-sighted when you’re living in the shadow of the Big Racist Propaganda Machine.

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          The sad part is how many otherwise nice people it’s turned into total hateful monsters, and there’s no way they’ll be brought back. We will be a full on dictatorship soon and they don’t care as long as the gays and Trans are gone.

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    He could be talking about Putin in this graphic and it would have the same meaning and it would be just as useful.

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    IMO there are two big, fundamental and inherent problems we’re not dealing with.

    1 - Democrats don’t want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.

    2 - The folks who voted for Trump in the first place get their news and world view from Fox News and the GOP-aligned media. They aren’t telling the same story.

    Let’s look at the fucking headlines from Fox News right now:

    • Dose of Reality: Trump targets drug prices, pharmaceutical industry with new executive order.
    • Dems defend ‘storming’ of ICE facility - DHS hits back with all the receipts
    • Trump cuts deal with America’s top rival - here’s the fairer playing field the US now has
    • Storm Clouds: Middle Eastern royal offers to donate jump jet to Trump - Dems immediately make move
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      you’re forgetting about point #3. all you need to do is watch the commercials on major us ‘news’ stations to figure out who tells the news.

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      1 - Democrats don’t want to do anything, because they want to run against Republicans on this in the fall, midterms and in 2028.

      This reminds me of the olde biology joke.

      A scientist observes a frog jumping. He [ sequentially removes legs and observes until the last leg is gone; then he] observes that a legless frog will not jump when provoked, concluding that a legless frog becomes non-compliant.

      It’s fun to absolutely render a party useless, ignore the rallies its better members are holding (and how that’s all they can do) and just decide they must not want to do anything for a reason then supplied.

      Can we beggar a question when there’s no question?

      I’m gonna need receipts; especially for the Bernie and AoC cases.

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        The Senator who went to El Salvador gets credit, Senator Chris Van Hollen, a Democrat from Maryland.

        Also I respect Cory Booker’s 24 hour speech.

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        Since you brought it up …

        I’ll start by saying their tour was impressive. They did an amazing job of rallying people, packing houses and calling attention to what is going on. Same for Walz to a lesser extent. And the 50501 rallies.

        But … so did Kamala. She was packing auditoriums, bringing excitement, and looked to have galvanized the country especially compared to Trumps rallies.

        But …

        To. What. End.

        What’s the goal? Why are they doing them? What is the outcome we want to see? Trump removed from office? GOP to start valuing their constituents?

        Especially the 50501 rallies. If you looked at the signs there were 50 causes showing up, splintering the message.

        If you go to Bernie’s website it just says “I’ll be hitting the road to have real discussions across America on how we move forward to take on the Oligarchs and corporate interests who have so much power and influence in this country.”

        Sure they’re unique. Maybe historic. They all have powerful messages. And it’s better than nothing.

        But at the end of they day, to me, they point back to No. 1. “Things suck. It’s the Republicans fault. Vote for us in the Fall.”

        Now maybe that’ll change. But they were really just glorified campaign rallies.

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        I think we all thought Rupert Murdoch would just be dead by now and his empire would then begin to crumble. But the man seems to be sustained by hatred and refuses to die.

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      Okay I’m up off my ass, what now? Apparently we need to talk about how to get rid of him - which is what Dave is saying.

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    The Republican Party dies as soon as that happens. Every Republican knows it. That’s why they will fight to keep it from happening and grift the situation as long as they can.

    Fascism does not outlive the guy at its center. It can’t. Anybody who could step up to take control would have been a threat to the old leader’s position. The leader, therefore, has to make sure his people are loyal to him personally, and that tends to select for people who aren’t very competent and are incapable of fermenting the same sort of faux populist up swell.

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      The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.

      That moment when even they admit if the dems did this; reps would go wild.

      Presidency isn’t a business that closes once the term is up. It’s a turn in the game. They kept forgetting that until the plane happened.

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        The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.

        Keep dreaming.

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        The republicans realized it yesterday when he took the plane. That was the nail in the coffin of their party.

        I’ll believe that when they do something about him

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        That was the nail in the coffin of their party.

        Thing is, I heard that multiple times during his first term.

        I’m not saying you are wrong, maybe you are right. But I’m not so easily convinced after all the shit he consistently gets away with. There were people on their covid death beds who were still anti-mask/vax and pro-Trump.

        If people are still stubbornly holding onto their beliefs as they directly face their own mortality more or less because of them, its hard to imagine a bribe being the red line.

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    Personally, I think we should skip the home.

    This loser didn’t start forgetting his wife’s name or forget to wipe his ass after shitting on a regular basis.

    He’s a fucking traitor who is tanking our country in a myriad of ways and violating the fuck out of our Constitution. A much more…severe punishment is in order.

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    We have to be victimized because the alternative is armed revolt and putting his fat orange neck under the guillotine. I’m sorry, but Americans aren’t suffering enough en-masse to be motivated enough to do that yet. I wish it weren’t so, but we’re stuck with it for now.

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      Give it a year.

      I’m assuming some of the Trumptards with a few brain cells still bouncing around will start looking at their grocery receipts and not be able to reconcile it with what their Daddy has been saying.

      “Hey, dat man lied to me.”

      Maybe getting evicted will open some eyes.

      We’re only 3-4 months in.

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        You’d be surprised at what people will put up with. I say we aren’t close even if we gave it 3 or 4 years.

        They will bury their head in the sand so hard they’ll come out the other side of the planet before they’ll annoy they were duped.

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        The idea of armed revolt always concerns me because of countries like N. Korea, Iraq, and more recently Afghanistan.

        All of these countries had periods of (relative) progressive tendencies before their current iterations. Yes, I’m aware Afghanistan was still rough 2001-2021 but there was still a generation of women going to school and getting educated and that concept just simply ceased to exist.

        And all of these people just kinda…watched it happen. And did nothing about it.

        I’m not sure, as an American, why we’d be any different. We have alcohol, iphones, air conditioning, fast food, and video games. No one is risking their creature comforts at this point.

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          Would you agree that those creature comforts are at risk in the coming months? Fast food and video games have already become prohibitively expensive IMHO.

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    In all honesty we should all be on the lawn at the whitehouse everyday until things change. No work no buying nothing but our constant presence. We’re the reason this continues.