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    All these pushes to keep Hillary relevant is so tone deaf. Waiting for the day some doofus tries to tell me why we can’t find better representation from the 350,000,000 people in the united states.

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    Wow, guys. I don’t know her from whatever the shit Fox said, so forgive me for discounting the speaker for something you personally witnessed. I’d ask what she did other than be the target of the Bernie backstabbing, but it feels like COVID and 2 Trumps ago.

    So. She has a point.

    Remember when we didn’t kill the messenger because we remembered what Genghis did for that?

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      Do people seriously believe this propaganda ? It’s just so shitpost quality

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        When I use /s or /jk when I’m not serious and people get bent out of shape about it. When I don’t use it, and I find out a mod mass banned me from their communities over it.

        Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, I guess.

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    Fuck off Hillary. Nobody asked you. You fumbled 2016 and gave us this asshole in the first place, and you should have the decency to hide in shame the rest of your miserable life.

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      She didn’t fumble anything. They wouldn’t allow Bernie to run is all it came down to and Hillary is one of the most corrupt out there. Perfect for office

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        The Clinton campaign in 2008 boosted the birther conspiracy shit that trump rode to power.

        Her 2016 campaign boosted the man himself because she thought he would be easier to beat than Jeb Bush.

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      only a woman could receive the most votes and nearly a decade later have a 14 year old boy on lemmy be all “yo dawg she totally fumbled that shit she needs to hide in shame”

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      She didn’t give you this asshole. You voted for him. That’s how voting works.

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        Not when it involves the person ruining this country that she put in charge. She can fuck right off.

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          And your opinion shows you infantilize yourself from responsibility as an adult who votes. Own who you voted for. That’s on you. Your opinion is shit.

          Hey, just expressing my opinion. Just like anyone else.

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            Opinions not tempered by facts are fantasy.

            Other terms for your responses here.

            Prejudice, Uninformed Opinion(s), Bias, False Assertion(s), Armchair Critic, and Misinformation.

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            You comment all over this thread with transparently easy to prove wrong opinions. You don’t even know what happened to Libya or who was at fault, and have no conception of even recent history.

            My guess is you’re under 25, and know nothing about history before you became politically aware.

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        She can express it, but she needs to be prepared to be reminded that she was uniquely able to lose to trump in 2016, and her stealing the nomination from Sanders is one major contribution to why we are here

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          There’s a lot more reasons why we’re here than Hilary Clinton. If you can’t get over it we’re going to keep backsliding, again, and again, if we ever even make it out alive

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            “Yes she having cheated, but that cheating helped her win, and because she won, therefore she didn’t cheat”

            Is some dumb fucking logic

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            Hillary and DWS stole DNC money and funneled it all to her campaign, and then rigged the nom on top with the superdelegates. If you don’t consider that stolen, maybe it is you who should also consider “being serious.”

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                Ah, yes, let’s completely ignore the part where superdelegates were used to give her the appearance of an insurmountable lead before a single vote was cast.

                No part of that election was run fairly. Stop pretending it was.

                While you’re at it, maybe address the part where her campaign actively promoted Trump in his primary as a pied piper. Hillary Clinton is uniquely and singularly responsible for Trump becoming president.

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            I’m also not the biggest Hillary fan, but she was uniquely positioned to be undeniably the most highly-qualified candidate for US President in history, having had experience as a US senator, First Lady, and Secretary of State…

            So it’s not like she was a bad candidate (although I too would have preferred Bernie).

            And hot take: what the DNC did to David Hogg is more overt that what they did to Bernie. I’m fucking done with this stupid party. Consider me radicalized.

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              So it’s not like she was a bad candidate

              She lost to trump. The only reason she’s not the single worst candidate in US history is because Harris lost to him by a larger margin after everyone already knew what he was about.

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              Her behavior along with DNC gooners tanked Bernie’s chances… 9 years later here we be🤡

              Politics is politics but they botch the job and DNC has been useless since. Actions have consequences.

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                Could have avoided this if they didn’t snatch Biden from his grave to do the same damn thing in 2020.

                DNC are controlled opposition, we’ll never escape fascism by supporting Democrats.

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                  At least he delivered the first time tbh

                  The 2024 debuckle, second strike… Fool me once…

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              The true radicalization is when you realize that being “highly-qualified” for the presidency should be disqualifying as it means you’re so well entrenched in the particular brand of pre-Trump American fascism.

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                Eh. Trump is very poorly qualified. Between the two main candidates in 2016, the choice was obvious. Policy aside, I still value competence as well.

                Yes, I do want to see the democratic party shift left, work to repeal citizens united, all that. But I also think that actually being good at your job is important as well. If we elect a firebrand who’s radical, but who doesn’t know the constitution or how government works, then we risk just becoming Left MAGA (like MAGA but with guillotines). Which, ok, that would be an improvement over where we are now, but still.

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                  Trump is absolutely poorly qualified, and terrible beyond that. I think fundamentally I believe more in politics and values than competence in navigating the systems of a white supremacist country.

                  With regards to a ‘left maga’ you say but still, but still what? If someone broke norms, rules, even laws in service of dismantling the prison industrial complex, jailed politicians in service of making right the genocide in Gaza, or instituted a state of emergency over climate change to align with the scientific consensus, would you argue that the norms of our country are more important?

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    ooo! a real zinger from an irrelevant loser? now THAT will solve some problems.

    so sick of these stupid ‘dunks’ and social media circle jerks.

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    She and Bill would definitely know this but then also lacking the self awareness to call it out, that is the surprising part.

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      Trump is bad. It’s not comparable.

      Additionally 90 % of the shit spread about Hillary was from trump himself. And as you can see: he lies.

      A lot.

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          Do you genuinely think Trump is any better in that regard? They were both friends with Epstein.

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            Please give me some indication that you understand the context of what I’m talking about otherwise shut up and fuck off

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              Yo chill not everyone is American and fully knowledgeable on American politics. What are you referring to?

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                Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.

                This is the comment you’re asking me to ‘chill’ about.

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                This is about the Libyan war, organized by Clinton, but driven by NATO and mostly the French.

                You’re ignorant not of American history but of world history.

                EDIT: next time you hear someone day that NATO is a defensive organization and has never invaded anyone, you will know that they’re either lying or ignorant.

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            This is about Libya. Read a history book.

            And yes, it is 100% her fault. Fuck, even Obama thought so.

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              So I can delete the part about Epstein and the comment will remain relevant then. Trump doesn’t care either.

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          Haha that propaganda is shitpost quality. I cannot believe anyone is so gullible to eat that shit up.

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            I guess fucking Obama is gullible?

            You’re just fucking ignorant of history.

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        I can’t remember who said it, but:

        “Hillary Clinton represents everything wrong with American politics. Donald Trump represents everything wrong with America.”

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        I was sooo mad Debbie fucked over bernie when she ran the DNC. Honestly that might of been the beginning of the decline for them. Let’s hope they listen to voters.

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          The beginning of the end was when the blue dog Democrats took over the party.

          It died with Paul Wellstone.

          Now it is the party to protect the oligarchs.

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        Bro do you think any other person giving the exact same speech as Hillary would be paid that kinda money? The banks aren’t paying her for her oratory chops. It’s influence purchasing. Be serious.

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        The Bernie thing was bad as well as possibly the only fully fact checked story . But here we have people deciding between propaganda shitposts and a bigot sending people to literal death camps as what is worse. The people who eat the shitposts as fact and spread it around are officially worse than both candidates. They are just Russian bots.

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        No, getting paid by bankers is ABSOLUTELY a problem. Or did you forget what the bankers leading up to 2008 after they got beneficial legislation passed that let them fuck up the markets?

        Bankers buy politicians to let them fuck up the economy and drain more money from everyone else they can.

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            Your definition of propaganda is anything you don’t agree with.

            To the point that you literally think that Clinton isn’t responsible for Libya, and describe it as propaganda.

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      Yeah, that so quaint! 25M. LOL. Trump’s net worth has increased by 4 BILLION since he took office THIS TIME. Fucking 25M over 10 years… “Those are rookie numbers!” No, not rookie numbers, flat out hardly a drop in the bucket. Sooo quaint. I’m sure her corruption is exactly the same as Trump’s! (Can you really type that without busting out laughing?)

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        All that tells me is that she’s bad at being corrupt, not that she’s some paragon of integrity.

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          I never said she was a paragon of integrity… but where she was picking up spare change left on the counter, Trump is robbing the register and looting the pension fund all at the same time. They are not the same.

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    I would think that Hillary having some experience in accepting bribes, would know…

    So idk why everyone is doing the pot/kettle thing (with various wordings). She’s speaking from experience.

    Corruption is probably one thing that Hillary knows about, and she’s calling it out. Doesn’t mean she’s any less guilty of being bribed, not does it mean that this isn’t a bribe for Trump, nor does that mean we should be unhappy at Trump and not unhappy at her for them both doing it.

    My point here is, why not both?

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      Hillary was targeted by at least as much politically motivated investigations into her affairs as Trump got, and they all ended up going nowhere, whereas Trump got convicted of 37 felonies. But that doesn’t seem to stop MAGAts rushing to post “crooked Hillary” and make suspiciously vaguely worded accusations every time the opportunity arises.

      Notice how they never actually go into detail, because doing so would then require them to show evidence, so it’s only ever “she was bought by the corporations” and “she knows all about corruption”.

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        Say what you want, her coronation as D candidate in 2015 over a much more popular Bernie Sanders led to a weak turnout by disenchanted D voters and Trump’s victory in 2016.

        Whether she is a murderer/ felon or not, she can take her opinion and shove it

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        How about this for evidence? Taken from M1ch431 elsewhere in this thread

        The original source is a verified, leaked email (dated April 23, 2015) from her 2016 campaign. The DNC plan was attached in the email and can be found here. The specific quote is from Salon.

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          Yeah, is this the information Julian Assange leaked. yeah fuck that guy too, I sure as hell ain’t voting for her and neither will you, so I don’t know why we’re arguing

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                So wait, you only like truth when it comes with good intentions?

                Truth doesn’t have intentions, it simply is

                Me, I like facts. I don’t give a fuck where they come from as long as they’re true.

                Shit, imagine being like “yeah, it’s true she did all this, but I don’t care because the guy that told me was skeezy”

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                  I’m more of a big picture guy and the instability and distrust this man has injected into our political system Just makes him a Russian asset to me. Nothing more nothing less.