It insists upon itself.
For me, it’s Wicked.
I generally like musicals, and I watched both the movie and the musical (w/ my SO, who loved it), and neither clicked for me. I felt the musical fell apart in the second half (I didn’t like the ending at all), and according to my SO, most of my complaints are where it deviated from the book. The movie was a bit better (and I’ll probably watch the second one, just to compare), but I still felt it was a bit generic. It goes way too hard on DEI concepts (skin color), and the characters seemed a bit shallow. I hope the second movie draws more from the book than the musical. It wasn’t “bad,” it was just pretty mid for me, not the knockout experience it was claimed to be.
The music was pretty good though, I’ll give it that.
Finished severance s02 this weekend. Very disappointing ending to me (that I will not spoil), even though it seems like it’s all anyone could talk about a couple months back.
Maybe it’s because I just played Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 and we were spoiled with incredible writing that does foreshadowing excellently with deep and nuanced themes, but while Severance’s execution is great in the details the overarching plot left me severely disappointed. As if they got great directors, actors, set designers, dialogue, but just wrote the s01e01 hook and then kind of just made up the plot as an afterthought. Keeping up mystery for its own sake because once the curtain is pulled back, we realize the stage pieces are not that impressive.
It’s still good TV but it ain’t that deep and IDK why everybody’s raving on about it. Anyway thanks for coming to my ted talk.
Severance S1 and S2 are vastly different in quality
The first one is very very good. Gripping, with the right amount of suspense and plot advancement.
Season 2 had sooo much filler, useless plot arcs and a lot of stuff that was only included to make it MYSTERIOUS.
I was super hyped for S2 but it didn’t live up to the wait.
This show was the world’s most boring acid trip. Some cool cinematography, I’ll give it that, but it’s just boring.
i thought it was fantastic. lots of interesting moral questions get explored based on the premise. i cant think of any episode that didnt further the narrative. i dont think theyre keeping mystery up for mystery’s sake, you learn about the world as the main characters do. way better than spoon fed exposition dumps. the plots pretty simple: man wants to rescue wife. idk who said to watch it for the plot lol its everything else that makes it worthwhile entertainment
cant wait for the 3rd
Except that Harbor was a known thing by several characters but we are intentionally kept in the dark for the sake of the plot. It was only a mystery to the innies and the audience. But since a large portion of the cast are executive outies, yes, it was mystery for the sake of the plot.
i shouldve said main character. also they said mystery for its own sake. mystery for the sake of the plot is not the same and also not inherently bad either
That doesn’t change what OP said. It’s still keeping up mystery for mystery sake. But if you want to nitpick, fine. Helena being “in or out” in the first few episodes was mystery for mystery sake too. The “mystery” is largely being lied too/kept in the dark, not being given a satisfying riddle.
If the mystery only exists because you deny the audience information the characters know, it’s not a mystery. It’s just slow lying.
its not nitpicking lol mystery for the plot is totally normal and completely different than what OC said. when would the characters that knew what cold harbor was have explained that? to each other? even though they already know what it is and know that the character theyre talking to knows what it is? thats called shitty writing. revealing it to the main character that doesnt know what it is is a logical point to also reveal that info to the audience. its not like they didnt show that when they were telling mark about it, in that case that would be actually denying the audience information.
and as i stated the plot isnt really much of a plot. man wants to rescue wife. its all the stuff inbetween that makes it great. im not really sure whats crawled up your ass about it lmao if you didnt like it cool
insert big thumbsup meme while the ppl who enjoy it have fun watching it
It’s really quite simple and doesn’t take a novel to understand.
When the audience is given all the same information as the characters and are trying to solve it at the same time as the characters, it’s a plot driven mystery.
When characters already know the answer and the audience is kept in the dark(especially with editing/cuts) until the last episode of the season, it’s mystery for mystery sake. If the plot can’t exist without intentionally keeping facts from the audience, it’s mystery for mystery.
There’s no harm in being Oceans 11. But don’t pretend this is something it’s not.
And just gotta say “man wants to rescue wife” is the most reductionist take on the plot and shows why you find what little that was there as satisfying. The “plot” is about a cult like company that does an insane medical procedure on its employees, and part of the plot is that they did it to a couple and reunited them. At least, that’s what we’re hunted at. It’s also about all we’re actually given.
i dont find much satisfying about the plot. i was being intentionally reductionist about it. “all of the stuff inbetween” i.e. the corpo cult, all of the ethical questions raised about severance and the human experience, the style, cinematography, tone etc is what makes it a great show.
when did mark find out what cold harbor was? when did the audience find out? crazy how that happens at the same time isnt it? if you like spoon fed exposition dumps more power to you
also i get the OC too. i watched s1 before it got big and had zero expectations and was pleasantly surprised. watching things is for sure different when theres a lot of hype. greatest show of all time? no. great show tho
The Deadpool Movies, just don’t get them for some reason.
Feel like there’s no real plot, nothing really matters, the humor is family guy level cameos and 4th wall breaks that are only funny when used sparingly.
It’s like eating an Oreo but we took out the cookie so now you’re just OD’ing on stuffing and not in a good way.
The “humor” is just Ryan being Ryan. He is a mean guy. It’s funny on screen but IRL he is just that rude and gross to everyone without discrimination. I had to work with him twice and I dislike him. His wife is the same way. They are just objectively cruel for no reason. Which is funny when you’re acting on screen only.
Deadpool the character is an asshole, so it makes sense he’d be good at playing him.
Avatar. Technically the 3D was fun, but I can’t understand any of the rabid fandom.
Hard agree. Just generic sci-fi with obvious themes and plot.
It’s very true that “it was just Dances With Wolves in space,” but Dances With Wolves is a good story. A good story + decent directing + pretty visuals = a movie that’s at least decent, if not mind-blowing or whatever.
Avatar 2, on the other hand, definitely suffered story-wise.
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None of yall know how to spell Pocahontas right.
“Dances With Smurfs,” as South Park put it.
Nobody actually liked that (Either the Kevin Costner one or the blue remake).
i don’t think I’ve ever seen a rabbid Fandom around it.
it was just an easy approachable pretty movie for the masses. with a massive budget and a very well known director it brought people in to see the best visuals hollywood sfx had at the time. that’s basically how it was marketed, as a tech demo.
I’ve never once seen anyone fanboy about it. it sold well, but didn’t excite many.
on three other hand, avatar the last air bender has a massive and rabid fandom.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a rabbid Fandom around it.
Avatar is the second-highest-grossing movie of all time, folk can’t seem to get enough of the science fiction epic and are going back for repeat viewings.
it sold well, but didn’t excite many.
Which is why I list it here.
It was a pretty awesome experience to see in theaters at the time. The story was ass even then but the affects were amazing enough to carry it. My GF at the time and I went back twice to see it. Watching it on a regular screen these days it’s completely forgettable.
don’t think I’ve ever seen a rabbid Fandom around it.
were you around when the movie was just released?
There was an insane weird fandom around it. From people just loving it to full on navi otherkin-ing. People getting depressed and suicidal to not live in that world. And I’m not talking about a handfull of people but quite a large group.
i was around then, I’ve just never met anyone who cared about that movie.
if there were clips going around of people dressing up like that I’d chalk that up to being a marketing campaign.
Star Wars. LOTR.
I’ll let myself out.
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With LotR you have to remember that the books were essentially the foundation of the genre so you have probably read and watched hundreds of derivative works, doubtlessly some of them an improvement over this early part of the genre in at least some aspects.
Tolkien has some very dense prose and it can be tough to get through. The Silmarillion’s even moreso, it reads like the King James Bible. I think what really kills it though is how influential it’s been on the genre. So much is derivative of LotR that it no longer feels “fresh”, kind of the same way The Beatles were mind-blowingly innovative at the time but now it all just sounds really generic and well-worn. You’re bang-on about Star Wars too, I like Star Wars quite a bit but it goes groundbreaking movie (ANH), goated classic (ESB), schlock (the rest of the movies).
Inception
This and The Joker are the two movies that come to mind when this type of question comes up. Inception is not particularly bad, just so… correct. I was expecting something really mindbinding, that would make me rethink about it long after the movie was over. It was just a pretty scenery with mid acting. No amount of practical effect can carry a movie on his own. The Joker on the other hand was just a waste of my time and left me infuriated.
This one for me too. I watched after hearing all the hype, and I just thought it was subpar at best and actively bad at worst.
I figured it was because those who hyped it had never been exposed to the ideas in the movie and thought it was special. While my old ass had seen these ideas hashed and rehashed a dozen times over the years.
It felt like a new Brat Pack phoning in a pay check.
It was the whole time in dreams goes by exactly 10 times faster than reality that lost me on that one.
This is why I consume zero hype for any movie. Ive ruined so many movies by having a set of expectations going in.
This is me with literally any movie that tries to get me to feel things. I’m pretty sure I have alexithymia.
Though sometimes I find myself thinking about a film weeks after I watched it, and I then it’s like “I guess maybe I did like the film”.
alexithymia
Huh, TIL.
I don’t have this, but I definitely relate to coming around to a piece of media only after I’ve had time to process it.
Never liked Star Wars. The original trilogy. I watched it and nothing no sense of adventure no tension just blah. The new ones are worse, watched all of those too but they fail even harder for what feels like the same reasons. To be clear I fucking love Sci-Fi books/movies/tv shows doesn’t matter. Some of the starwars books are ok like anything with Kerra Holt in it
Andor/Rogue One are very, very good. All else is cold day old dogshit unless you grew up with it and have nostalgia.
Personally i find star wars to be fine but not great. It has interesting lore and whatnot but on the whole it mostly just feels ok. The exception (to me) is the mandalorian. Where the main star wars films are (sort of) a soap opera in space (space opera), the mandalorian is a space western, and a pretty well done one. It takes 2 episodes or so to pick up the pace, but i found it to be really enjoyable.
First off, Star Wars isn’t scifi. It’s a space western/opera. Its the same story told a thousand times before but in a different setting. It doesnt offer any philosophical quanderies or insights that actual sci fi does .
It has always been about being a great cinematic achievement for it’s time. Theaters have great sound systems because of Star Wars. If you werent of the age to experience it at a time when the biggest movies were ‘Kramer vs Kramer’ and ‘Harry And Tonto’, it really isnt very good.
It’s totally okay to not like it. I was a HUGE fan when it came out but I understand that it doesnt keep up with the cinema tech that it inspired.
My wife and friends think I’m a Star Wars nerd and keep giving me gifts and swag. I have never liked any of it past the original trilogy and I outgrew that a long, long time ago. In fact, all the other trilogies just downright pissed me off for how awful they were…just horrible dialogue, acting and storytelling.
Any of the mission impossible/fast and furious films. That shit is boring.
I absolutely hated both Dune Movies… Such a boring and in my opinion incoherent mess. My jaw dropped when i found out it was So universally highly rated. It still makes me angry when i think about it.
I liked the visuals / cinematography of the 2021 version, but I haven’t gotten around to watching part 2 because I’m not really invested in the story.
It felt like a lore dump that didn’t really build much connection to the characters, followed by a bit of action and some heavy sequel-baiting.
Young Frankenstein. I’m a fan of Gene Wilder and a huge fan of Mel Brooks, but somehow the comedy in that particular movie had me going “hmm, yes, I can see how people would find that funny” rather than actually laughing.
It really depends on the movie, but I think most movies that people see as “universally loved” are children’s movies, and the people who love them the most are those who watched them when they were kids. Sometimes, they’re not very good if you see them outside of their intended demographic.
On top of that, everybody has their own tastes. I know a person who doesn’t like Shawshank Redemption because she feels uncomfortable with enclosed spaces. And I’m personally not fond of movies with people who act like gangsters, so I’ve never felt particularly affectionate towards Godfather movies.
I think most movies that people see as “universally loved” are children’s movies, and the people who love them the most are those who watched them when they were kids. Sometimes, they’re not very good if you see them outside of their intended demographic.
Avatar the Last Airbender for me. I just can’t get into it. I’ve tried watching numerous episodes and given up or have seen countless clips that just don’t catch my attention. Seems most people who did started when they were fairly young and the love grew overtime, and all the power to them.
I know a person who doesn’t like Shawshank Redemption because she feels uncomfortable with enclosed spaces. And I’m personally not fond of movies with people who act like gangsters, so I’ve never felt particularly affectionate towards Godfather movies.
Funnily enough, I don’t like those movies either and are also perfect examples of the title post for me. I don’t think they’re good, I don’t think they’re bad. They’re movies that just sail right over my head and I’m like “I guess this one just aint for me.”
Atla is pretty long and if you didnt start watching it as a kid it could be pretty hard to get over the start of it. It starts off very slice-of-life-ish with some of the more mature themes sprinkled in between, and becomes much more dense later on. It’s also a story about a bunch of kids (who grow and learn to cope or deal with their issues later on) which isnt the easiest to identify with unless you started watching it at a young age.
Breakfast Club
multiple hours of horrible teenagers and some horrible adults learning no valuable lessons and their actions being glorified
also the two love interest characters fall for each other despite having zero chemistry, cuz fuck you can’t have a teen movie without a romance i guess
I’m not saying your opinion isn’t valid or anything, I’m just curious. Are you the right age? Were you in high school or close when it came out? And I don’t just mean when you watched it, were you that age at the time the movie was set? As an adolescent a few years younger than the characters at the time, it resonated with me.
I think I was either a senior in high school or a freshman in college. Also I’m a millennial, maybe it’s more of a boomer/gen x movie
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Agreed on both philosophical ground and impression of Lebowski!
The one saving grace of lebowski is that when you bring up not liking it the people who do like it are too busy quoting it to argue with you.
Everything’s a fucking travesty with you, man! And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the fuck has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the fuck are you talking about!?
Thank you. Plus his “best friend” (John Goodman) was a complete dick that did nothing of benefit for him the entire movie.
Haven’t watched it in years though, so I was planning to re-watch and see if my opinion changes.
Well that just like, your opinion man…
Shut the fuck up Donny
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