In light of plans to introduce this policy and the particular circumstances surrounding some boxers that competed at the Paris 2024 Olympic Games, World Boxing has written to the Algerian Boxing Federation to inform it that Imane Khelif will not be allowed to participate in the female category at the Eindhoven Box Cup or any World Boxing event until Imane Khelif undergoes sex testing.
If you pay someone to pass the sex test does that count as doping?
Imagine kinda masculine looking female tests female. I want to see their faces
We already saw what they do, it’s what they did to Imane Khelif
Its what they are about to do to her as well, as they already explicitly announced she will have to undergo this testing before her next competition, or she wont be allowed to fight
The international rise of the Cult of Naturalism and the growing prevalence of their ur-eugenics pseudoscience is horrifying to watch. Like so many other actively harmful ideologies and policies I don’t see any non-violent solutions.
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Woman in the women’s category forced to prove gender after bogus Russian disqualification.
Athletes that are deemed to be male at birth, as evidenced by the presence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a difference of sexual development (DSD) where male androgenization occurs, will be eligible to compete in the male category.
Athletes that are deemed to be female at birth, as evidenced by the presence of XX chromosomes or the absence of Y chromosome genetic material (the SRY gene) or with a DSD where male androgenization does not occur, will be eligible to compete in the female category.
Oh wow. What’s social construction? *points*
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Woah dude you’re in danger of sounding like a bigot
/s
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It’s funny how the west will punish us for not accepting LGBTQ+ but will turn around and saying that an ALGERIAN contestant is using LGBTQ+ propaganda to progress. As if the algerian population are accepting of LGBTQ… people of algeria has marched the streets in support of Imane Khelif during the olympics. I don’t think algerian people would proudly march for someone who is openly LGBTQ
Idk maybe european women are weak 🥀
Did you know racism is when you use someone’s genetic background to assume they think or act a certain way without considering them as an individual?
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Regardless of where you stand on this issue one thing is fact. Republicans love this issue because it wins them elections over and over and will continue well into the future. Think your going to vote Trumps and his kind out of politics while fighting hard on this issue? People are terrified to vote Democrat just on this and the bathroom points alone. Gay rights/acceptance have come very far in my lifetime, and that is awesome but we are on the edge of losing ALL of those hard won fights while facing full on fascism world over if we don’t strategically/temporarily retreat on ‘some’ issues until we have power and minds again. Take the wins and fight another day, the masses are too divided over this issue at this point in history thus causing weakened voting power blocs while the right is strongly united. I know for a fact there are many rightwing plants everywhere pretending to be left leaning using these talking points to divide us. A smart person picks when, where and how they fight, if winning is the goal.
That’s the same thing they said about gay rights in the 90’s though
Yeh, it was this and not shrieking about immigrants or the economy.
Get a clue
I’m gay. A political scientist with a PhD in statistics and have spent most of my adult life working in Washington. I would never make a statement like that unless I had the actionable data with a negligible margin of error. There is a reason I have not replied back to that thread, need a clue? You just read it.
I’m a genius level statistician with 2 PhDs in statistics and multidimensional mathematics.i currently work on quantum computing prototypes.
If you have data, I’d love to see it. But everyone knows everyone on the internet makes shit up.
Political wins, humanization and support for the existence of non-cis people, it’s potato potahto to you right?
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Nice; how much sex do they need to have to pass the test?
It isn’t about the quantity. Its about the quality.
at least fifty thrusts
So like 5 theherk sex units.
Looks like I need to post this again.
Dang. It’s almost like determining someone’s sex is hard to do.
Alpha bros gonna be real upset that the Typical biological male is a the pink end of the spectrum 😂
Do you have a higher res copy that isn’t so difficult to read?
I don’t, but I can provide an article with the infographic included.
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What specific element is pseudoscience?
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So, you are arguing that SRY inactivation does not occur?
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Swyer means an XY female, as you are agreeing to now.
What is your definition for female?
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So, hormones don’t exist?
Intersex people don’t exist?
Trans people don’t exist?
And what, we’re all either 100% male or 100% female and there is never a grey area in biology?Don’t make the conscious decision to remain ignorant, you’re keeping yourself back.
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Yeah but that’s why they’re beliefs, and not science
stfu
Just because the words are too big for you to understand doesn’t mean what they’re describing isn’t real.
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Because numerous people around the world have been using cutting edge research for decades to study these things, observing their effects in actual people, means that I honestly don’t give a fuck if you “buy the idea”. Your feelings, opinions, and armchair assessments on this topic are worthless.
There is no idea to buy. Those are observed conditions on real bodies
When modern scientists accept new understandings of things that is the science
We’re not in the 50s anymore, we now understand more than we did then.
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Thanks for sharing. I never seen it before.
That’s a nice infographic, but must we not draw a vertical line somewhere on that spectrum to say what is allowed in women’s sport? It seems unreasonable to allow everything on the spectrum as women’s sports would be dominated by people from the male end of the spectrum.
Sure, but do you think that’s the test they’re doing? Are they testing for the various SRY mutations? Multiple X chromosomes? Multiple Y? Genes that impact hormone regulation?
There are certainly issues with sport categories that are designed to be for something other than the elite in their field, but I don’t expect nuance from the same groups that banned a boxer because she wasn’t sufficiently attractive.
Sure, but do you think that’s the test they’re doing?
I mean they state right there what kind of test they are doing (but perhaps you didn’t read it or missed that part?):
all athletes over the age of 18 that want to participate in a World Boxing owned or sanctioned competition will need to undergo a PCR (polymerase chain reaction) genetic test to determine their sex at birth and their eligibility to compete.
The PCR test is a laboratory technique used to detect specific genetic material, in this case the SRY gene, that reveals the presence of the Y chromosome, which is an indicator of biological sex. The test can be a be conducted by nasal/mouth swab, saliva or blood.
So they are testing for the presence of the Y chromosome. Not sure if that covers any of the questions you asked there but presumably no. But again, we must draw the line somewhere and “presence of the Y chromosome” doesn’t seem to be an unreasonable way to determine that line - at the very least it sounds like a very unambiguous way to draw the line. But I am not an expert so I won’t speak with any confidence about this.
So this test probably won’t catch someone who is XY, but missing the SRY gene. I’m not sure if it will detect a mutated SRY gene, and I don’t pretend to be an expert. I also can’t be sure if thos test will catch someone who is XX with an SRY gene, which is also a thing, nor if it will catch XX/XY mosaicism. And those are the easy ones.
The fact of the matter is, internationally competitive athletes are a group of 0.1% or less, and people with abnormal sex genes, let alone abnormal genes in general, fall into the 0.5% to 1% category. What do you think the overlap is in two groups of outliers?
Edit: Extra reading. Note the 24 genetic variations (that we know of) that count as intersex.
What do you think the overlap is in two groups of outliers?
Well, seeing as people with abnormal sex genes may have an advantage in competitive women’s sports, you would actually expect to see a significant amount of that “outlier” group in the group of top athletes, as there is a selection happening. You’re right that if you chose independently at random from people who are top athletes and people who have abnormal sex genes, the overlap would be incredibly small. But sports is not a random selection at all. At the top of sports, even the smallest advantage means the difference between winning and losing, so even small variations (like those caused by abnormal sex genes) may give significant advantages (perhaps even “unfair” advantages).
And to that, I’ll reiterate my second paragraph previously.
There are certainly issues with sport categories that are designed to be for something other than the elite in their field, but I don’t expect nuance from the same groups that banned a boxer because she wasn’t sufficiently attractive.
So much more fun if you believe it to be a test of skill instead of the depressing reality.
Just like penis inspection day in gym class
Ah good times. I wonder why coach needed to take pictures though.
Fucking assholes. From what is known about their sex test, it is similarly scientific to the “I know it when I see it” rule from the 1960s to determine if something is obscene. In other words, utter bullshit.
And all of this pretending to care about women while at the same time you have abuse scandals in sports every five minutes that never seem to have real consequences or result in positive change for the athletes.
Yeah, I don’t believe you one bit when you say you want to protect women.
