Ackshually it’s a markup language not a programming language Picks D and loses $1 million
wait D was not the correct answer?
D is the correct answer, but do you trust a game show to know that?
WYSIWYG has been around so long that people forget markup languages and batch text processing have been around for a long time. LaTeX and Groff seem to be the sole survivors.
That question just gave me anxiety. That is exactly the type of question I would get. Technically it’s not but does the people who wrote that think that? Is it a trap question or a smart question? Omg I gotta not think about this anymore…
Exactly, maybe the person who wrote it thinks its a programming language, maybe machine language is defined as a language that can be interpreted by a machine.
It looks like this is a photo taken by a potato of a magazine photo that was taken by a potato
I don’t even know why it wouldn’t/shouldn’t be considered a programming language. It’s a language, and it’s used to code instructions for something… What more does it need?
Html does not contain instructions, just well ordered data. “schematics” if you may.
Do you program a document in Word?
- macros excluded
What about Excel? First reply I got said it has to make programs, right? I can make a Tetris clone in Excel. 🤣
macros excluded
Well yeah if excel was a language it would certainly qualify
Excel has conditional logic, HTML does not
We aren’t talking about Excel, but about Word.
We do that to explain that HTML is nothing more than to display text in a certain layout, just like a Word document. The only difference is that Word is designed to be printed, while HTML is designed to display on a website.
Also, exclude VBA as well as macros. VBA is a programming language.
Well, you can’t make Tetris in HTML without including some other language that has loops and variables.
I’m also not sure if you can do it in Excel without using VBA, which is a programming language. Excel doesn’t do circular logic in the document sheets.
Anyway the issue or joke is the lack of definition of “programming”.
HTML is a text encoding system. It’s not that different form something like the Morse code. It’s only instructions for how to decipher a series of codes. It takes input and presents it as an output, starting from the beginning and working its way to the end.
In my very unofficial opinion, a “program” is something that is able to “run” by itself, so that the code itself has instructions for which part of the code to run.
If you decipher a morse code, it doesn’t suddenly have instructions that force you to go backwards in the code and decipher from there or to jump to different sections. The text output might tell you to do so, but if you follow the text, then you’re doing something else than deciphering morse code.
HTML works the same. It start from the top and interprets its way down. It can have some conditional statements, but nothing that will make it go backwards and rerun the same instructions again.
The interpretation is of course more advanced than Morse code and it can call other languages to do stuff, so HTML is basically a document describing a job procedure in that way. The individual jobs can be reoccurring tasks, but the document itself isn’t.
So in my opinion it’s not “running” anything. It’s just a document being printed on screen.
I’ll admit that “one-shot” programs are a thing, and documents with variables do exist, so it’s not clear cut. A programming language should be capable of those things though, and HTML isn’t one on its own.
Excel formulas have become Turing complete with the LAMBDA addition.
Good to know.
It seems kind of half assed though.
I’ve only used it briefly to access the filesystem. Having to paste code into the reference field in the name manager is a special kind of masochistic practice.
It’s a huge pain, especially considering selection shortcuts are overwritten.
I dont work with Excel anymore, but there are python scripts on github to help with lamba management via export/import.
Simon Peyton Jones is about as big an expert on programming languages as you can get, and he’s on the record as saying Excel is a functional programming language.
With a programming language you tell a computer what to do. With a markup language, which HTML is, you tell a computer what to show. Much different.
You wouldn’t want to mix them up. The precise distinction is what the web makes so beautifully scalable.
HTML doesn’t have IF or loops. It’s just formatting text.
What really has my brain in a knot is: Does option “D: None of these” include or exclude option D?
This statement is false.
It’s clearly not the US version, so we should assume this is a translation error for the “none of these” instead of “none of the above” perhaps.
That’s why it should be “none of the above”. And if there’s a “all of the above”, it must come right before the “none of the above”.
Or address them:
Either* A, B, C;Is only A supposed to be a pointer?
Asking the real questions.
They’re not above. One of them is to the left.
All of these?
Not really, it’s a formatting language.
Yes, I’m fun at parties. In my head 😅
A “Markup Language” to be precise. HyperText Markup Language.
Yea my parties are the best parties, too.
That’s the word, it did feel wrong with formatting! We should party together sometimes! 😄
HTML : Coding Language
there we go, nobody complians about programming languages
Well what the fuck is a machine language?
Is is data transmitted between parties (machines) to convey information? HTML fits this definition.
Do they mean machine code? Because some call machine code “machine language”.
Either way the answer is D.
Is Machine Language even a well defined thing? I would think of assembly but I don’t know where to draw the line
Hyper Text Machine Language
This will be the next big thing. I’m going to write a Lemmy server in this.
You could call it WebAssembly
*stares at chatgpt* all language is now machine language
I’ve never heard the term. Only machine code, which i interpret as 1/0. Assembly should be a very low level programing language?
Wikipedia, defines machine code and machine language too apparently.
It’s right there in the name: it’s a markup language. Hyper Text Markup Language. HTML.
There is a difference between “markup language” and “programming language”.
That’s the point isn’t it? Or did you mean that with a question mark attached?
The only correct answer is D, and it got the least votes. 😋
How To Meet Ladies.
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Thanks, now I’m a huge turd
Omg, you gave me a great idea. Don’t ask how. Updated it.
That’s the etymological fallacy. The name itself doesn’t determine the meaning. According to that logic, python isn’t a programming language either but a snake
Ok, but hear me out. Have you seen most Python code?
Point taken
From Gryffindor and awarded to Slytherin
snake_case_ftw
Fun fact python was named after Monty python, not the snake.
What was Monty Python named after?
“Monty” was selected (Eric Idle’s idea) as a gently mocking tribute to Field Marshal Lord Montgomery, a British general of World War II; requiring a “slippery-sounding” surname, they settled on “Python”. Flying Circus stuck when the BBC explained it had printed that name in its schedules and was not prepared to amend it.
The Red Baron.
It’s named after the python language, obviously. Nothing beats recursive referencing.
I think it got inspired by our lord and savior Brian
his parents i think
If it walks like a snake and quacks like a snake…
Welcome to germany. Many name for new thing just description of thing. Why not more language do that? Very useful.
Not expected Amitabh Bacchan and Indian who wants to be a Millonaire or Kaun bane ga Crorepati. Lemmy has got me suprised. Also HTML is markup not a programming language.
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Don’t worry. They interview you before these shows. If you’re at all tech savvy then they would never ask you this question. They want you to be stumped by the question for legitimate reasons, not to loudly protest that you’ve been cheated by a bad question.
How is Hyper Text Markup Language not a programming language? Now JavaScript and CSS are arcane rituals, but html is well behaved.
How is it a programming language? It’s a markup language. There’s no logic, variables or any way to manipulate data.
It’s right there in the name, but then there’s CFML, which is unpopular, but it definitely features logic, variables, and data manipulation.
CFML walks the line, but it exists to make HTML in a programmatic way, and be very approachable to non-programmers. It’s not really a markup language, it’s a programming language disguised as markup.
Can you write a program in HTML?
It is in the name. It is a markup language, not a programming/scripting language.
I would loudly go on the record for my reasoning that Hypertext Markup Language is not Turing Complete, and therefore fails to be a programming language by the only academic and theoretical definition that matters.
They already are going to award me “lawyer up” money, so I’ll come after them for damages later if B is the "right’ answer.
wrong again! CSS is turing complete, and HTML can include inline CSS, so you can implement a Turing machine in HTML only (without external .js files)
It can also include inline JS. HTML alone cannot be turing complete, but HTML+CSS is.
CSS can be included as a style property without requiring the script/style tag though.
Those are still two different languages. HTML isn’t an umbrella term for HTML+CSS in any form.
I can write a .ini code where a value of a key is a binary that the interpreter runs. Are ini files a programming language? Hell no, and neither is html.
Is R a compiled programming language because several of its built in functions run compiled C code? No.
The point in that case would be that while not intended it could be used as a programming language. The R example seems unrelated. Every language must run compiled code at one point or else the CPU wouldn’t know what to do.
Same goes for JS, for example the onclick attribute.
Very good point, I forgot that was an option.
It’s in the name, it’s a markup languge. Html sites are basically just over-formatted text.
Can someone clarify what the answer should be and what was the answer on the show?
There is a running joke that some people falsely consider HTML a programming language which it is not. So it’s D. I didn’t watch the show but I assume that’s it and the joke is that the audience’s majority took alien language
Interestingly C and D are both programming languages. That is, there is a programming languages called C and another, D.
I’ll see myself out…
A and B are also programming languages. A is an APL implementation and B is a precursor of C.
https://aplwiki.com/wiki/A https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language)
Trying to remember from automata theory, does the empty set accept an empty grammar?
Like how in some languages an empty source file is valid? So then “none” is a programming language with an empty language grammar?
Yes, C is alien language pretty often. The other half it is wizardry.
