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destructdisc@lemmy.world to A Boring Dystopia@lemmy.world · 6 months ago

Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

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Could You Prove You’re a US Citizen?

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destructdisc@lemmy.world to A Boring Dystopia@lemmy.world · 6 months ago
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Could You Prove You’re a Citizen?
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For Americans wrongfully detained by ICE, it can be nearly impossible to escape.
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  • workerONE@lemmy.world
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    How can you do anything if you’re detained by ICE? If you have your birth certificate or passport in a safety deposit box you can’t access it when you are detained.

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      There was a guy who had his US passport card on him. ICE still detained him, claiming it was fake. And they’re desperately trying to get rid of due process, so there’s no opportunity to correct them.

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        if they have done it to one person then they are not “trying” to get rid of due process, it’s already gone. :(

    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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      Start shooting. You were already dead when they decided to target you.

      • workerONE@lemmy.world
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        Maybe without basic rights but not dead

        • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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          If you’re getting sent to a concentration camp in El Salvador never to see your friends or family again, you’re gonna wish you were dead

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      And if there’s no more birthright citizenship, how will any of that help anyway?

      At some point very soon, I see everyone having to appear before some official, fill out pages of forms, pay a fee, and take an oath in order to be registered as a citizen.

      • Lv_InSaNe_vL@lemmy.world
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        Only American citizens are able to hold a passport so that would be a way to prove it. In fact, for most people, your passport is easily the most valid form of government ID that you can get.

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          unless it’s claimed to be a fake

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          Unless it’s taken or until it expires

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    I don’t see posts with apologies to sovcits for ridiculing them. Not the part about somehow proving you don’t owe money, but the anti-centralist parts.

    • flandish@lemmy.world
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      what is a sovcit? anti-centralist? put down the drugs and ramble less.

  • Jumi@lemmy.world
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    Nein

    • DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works
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      Auch nein.

      • Mariemarion@lemm.ee
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        Moi, non.

  • Sir_Premiumhengst@lemmy.world
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    Squirrel

  • Evotech@lemmy.world
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    Nah, I don’t even live there

  • Alexstarfire@lemmy.world
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    I’d rather tell them to get fucked. Though, not sure if have the stones.

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    Could you really prove anything, reality is relative and all.

  • Lovable Sidekick@lemmy.world
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    Presumably yes, birth certificate. But based on news of citizens being wrongfully deported I honestly don’t know what kind of proof ICE demands.

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    Probably not without a ton of money and the willingness to pretend to be one…

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    Can’t do any better than my birth certificate.

    If that’s no good then no

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      That doesn’t always work either.

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      That didn’t even work for a President.

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    Probably but that’s because I’m privileged to have a space secure enough to store the magic documents that mean I’m allowed to occupy the volume required for me.

    Nations are dumb and imaginary.

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      And when ICE says your passport or birth certificate is fake and they confiscate it?

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        I’ll guess I’ll die.

        Magic isn’t real and you shouldn’t expect it to protect you.

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        deleted by creator

    • ⛓️‍💥@sh.itjust.works
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      Do you carry those documents on you?! How are documents at your house going to help you if ICE grabs you off the street?!

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    Depends on how much due process they’re willing to allow.

    I’m very white, so that’s something.

    I almost always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something. However I’m pretty sure my state gives out licenses regardless of immigration status. Also, while I paid for RealID, I didn’t get it

    In case due process and constitutional rights were allowed, I have a passport and may be able to dig up a birth certificate. You can’t really do any better although I believe they’re already ignoring that

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      always have my drivers license on me, that should be worth something

      https://archive.is/b5YF2

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        Seems like fairly established case law that you can film police and they can’t just call that “interference”. I hope he has a successful lawsuit.

        More importantly for me

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    yeah but why would you want to? talk about embarassing

    • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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      Now that I’m no longer in the US, I’m so glad I can claim heritage to a third country (I was born there). I will never ever introduce myself as an American. If anything I refer to the state I came from since there is a lot of good there, but fascism is trying to drown it.

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      no kidding

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    I’ve needed to email my birth certificate a few times, so I could probably find it in my emails.

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    I could pretend I like guns and don’t know what a meter is. Would that be enough?

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