So wait a minute here guys, you’re telling me that the man who was convicted by a unanimous jury of fraud (cheating) in the 2016 election, the same guy who called the governors of various states and asked them to ‘find him some votes’ in 2020, did not run a clean honest campaign in 2024???
Get the EFF out of here!!
Leave the Electronic Frontier Foundation out of this.
Ikr? Absolutely mind blowing
Wasn’t it the same guy that congratulated Elon Musk for his involvement in getting him elected? I don’t know, must be fluke.
Nah it’s liberal propaganda. Anyways let’s storm the capital
You forgot the part where he said he didn’t need your votes because he already won…
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-laura-ingraham-future-voting_n_66a85c2ae4b0e33a3bb7cd36
In Volusia County, Florida during the 2000 election Al Gore received negative votes, and I’m sure we all remember how that turned out because everyone on this site is old as fuck so let’s temper our excitement this time around.
I think the stupidity of the electorate is being vastly underestimated here.
Most likely a mix of everything. I am sure that Republicans tried to win with illegal (vote tampering) and legal (voter suppression, gerrymandering, etc…) methods. Combined with a dumbass population, everything is possible.
This is why manual hand counted votes still happen to this day in Canada and Australia. They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Yes it takes longer. And sometimes results will take weeks to resolve but at least they don’t end up in a situation like this where the entire system is so corrupt 4 months later it’s near impossible to fix it.
They both faced the same MAGA threat and the lib won.
Largely thanks to the local public backlash to Trump tariffs. If Kamala had prevailed in November, both countries would likely have MAGA governments today.
We can’t say that. We don’t know what would’ve happened in Canada if Trump lost.
If Trump lost:
- Trudeau might not have resigned
- if he did, Carney might not have became liberal leader
- The election probably wouldn’t have even happened yet, and the campaign likely would’ve been longer when it was.
- Every party would have run very different campaigns since the top issues wouldn’t have been US relations
A lot of things could’ve been different, but most notably:
- PP might not have run a Trump-esk populist attack campaign.
For all we know PP wouldn’t be seen as “the same MAGA threat”
Yeah, it’s weird to be an American and hope the silver lining of trump is that the rest of the world keeps making better choices in response to how bad this is.
Part of the Trump brand is “Fuck you, I’ve got mine” which isn’t condusive to international coalitions.
Hell, just look at the Ukraine/Russia conflict. As soon as Trump got Zelensky to sign a bunch of Western Ukrainian real estate over to his cronies, he unleashed a large traunch of weapons to fuck over Putin. As soon as he got another Perfect Phone Call from Xi, and secured some unspecified promise, the Chinese tariffs evaporated.
My man stands for nothing that won’t fit into his pocket.
Oh I can think of one way to fix it… might be the only way left to us now
Same in Germany
Note to mention that not only are they harder to scale attacks against, manual vote counts are easier to trust, As anyone can understand the process and how it ensured that their vote counted.
No matter how well they are protected it’s hard to explain to the average person how a computer ensures their vote was counted correctly.
It doesn’t take longer. France announces the preliminary results of an election 2 hours after the polling places close.
Please don’t say “the lib won” the liberals in Australia are a right wing party. US paradigms are not universal, just say left or right
Genuinely curious why time is being wasted on this? Is there any other evidence that suggests a good reason for even trying?
Look for example at Ramapo 58 district:
Harris only got a single vote in a district that historically votes for Democrats. What are the odds. But maybe Democrats just lost popularity.
But then look at Senate
Now democratic candidate wins by 94.12% what are the odds?
And this is not a single district, there are many others like that.
odds and probability are unimportant to me. I’m only concerned with the reasons these investigations are continuing. What does justice look like in best and worst case scenarios?
Honestly? More scrutiny on the next votes would be a win.
win for whom? Democracy? For the people? For the future generations or just the wealthy?
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If ya not cheating, ya not trying. Kinda confused on how any of this ‘fixes’ anything tbh
These data
That’s correct! Singular would be “datum”.
it’s language, if enough people get it “wrong” it’s no longer wrong.
Depends on if you’re a linguist or an English teacher. Linguists only care about effective communication. Whereas language teachers tend to focus on an arbitrary standard based on tradition and accepted academic norms
Unfortunately most people don’t have a linguistics course. Hence why the internet is full of people who think they’re “correct” but have terrible communication skills
Statistically it is very unlikely this would happen given the votes for other Democrats down ticket. It would be like betting on an old horse to win a race and somehow winning.
Other irregularities are down ballot Dwmocrat votes. That somehow selected trump he presidents. Such a statistically improbable result
Also from a technical and logistics perspective, Russia already hacked into a variety of polling stations over the last few years and did seemingly nothing but gather information and plan. Technically this isn’t hard or even expensive.
always thought it suspicious there was soooo many reds when the final count was in.
So on one hand: Harris won NY State by a 10% margin.
On the other hand: if vote machines were tampered with then it likely doesn’t stop there.
Felon practically admitted this last week.
The guy said the Democrats would control the House and even gave numbers for the Republicans in the Senate. What more do people need?
Yeah, this isn’t really about that one specific district. It’s about all the other districts that were also likely tampered with.
our election was, literally, stolen. Trump and his fascists have spent years calling his loss to Biden “stolen” which ultimately harmed any real attempts at calling out future election results. many statisticians are sounding the alarm bells—something is wrong. the data doesn’t lie and the voting heavily implies manipulation. there is a group investigating our election results and making their findings public. they are very concerned with what they are uncovering.
Biden also received 0 votes in 2020 in these same precincts. See my comment for more details on the explanation. I do not know about the other data, but this one is a nothing burger, unfortunately.
If a result like this was found in a swing state, I’d be sure it was malicious. In New York, that seems improbable. Someone clever enough to conduct the attack is unlikely to be stupid enough to employ it in a way that creates an obvious anomaly without changing the result.
When exploiting a vulnerability you don’t always have precise control over what you are doing.
From what I understand about the issue that I read about in a different article it was about software changes made to a program that many states use, PA was one of them.
I think NY is the only place where it is currently being investigated, but if it happened here I don’t doubt it happened elsewhere.
Oops forgot to make the lie a little more believable.
They fully believed nobody would call them on it, partly because of the path they’d laid with the media. And they were right.
Different Oops?
I wonder if this is Musks “you wouldnt have won the election without me” quote.
It definitively is, he similar to trump dies not have a filter. He just counts on things being ambiguous enough that won’t affect him.
You might wanna call a hospital, pretty sure you were in the middle of a stroke when writing that.
Hijacking the top comment to mention (as posted in more detail below) that this actually has a very logical explanation. In short, Biden also got 0 votes in some precincts, which was a total flip from 2016 where Clinton won by large margins. The difference? The community is 100% Hasidic, and community leaders met with Clinton during her Senate race while Bill was president. During this time, there were community members being indicted for a fraudulent Hasidic school. The community voted for Clinton for Senate, and shortly after Bill commuted the sentences of these community members. I.e., very possibly a quid pro quo. So that community in particular supports Clinton for this very specific reason, when Trump was still a relatively unknown quantity, and then flips to support Trump for his very aggressive support of Israel during his first term. I despise Trump, and would love him locked up, but these are cherry picked numbers that prove nothing.
Trump said months before the election that he’s got it covered and he isn’t worried about it. Why would that be? He told us what he was doing at the time, his people were rigging it.
I also strongly believe in their use of projecting as a preemptive defensive strategy.
They say “you cheated you cheated you cheated!” so we reply “you’re nuts there’s no evidence, it’s all a conspiracy theory” so then they can cheat later on and turn it around on you when you go to investigate. “Oh now it’s true because you lost? Yeah yeah yeah…”
They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(
They’re always playing psychological warfare with the population… :(
Why can’t we do psychological warfare on them? I thought they were so much dumber than us.
They already believe it’s happening to them which is why they refuse to listen to any source of information that isn’t from their preferred brand.
There are plenty of intelligent MAGA that just have an innate bias that they want to have confimed so they allow themselves to be convinced by mis/disinformation. To admit you were wrong, or to accept that you misunderstood actually creates a “pain” type response that people are very adverse to, there are also the types that have so entrenched themselves in their political beliefs that it becomes their identity. This form of physiological warfare I mentioned is just one way of allowing these people to maintain their identity and to give them a “valid” defense against inconvenient information.
Over time a person can be chipped away at, but if you always give them an answer then they never have to suffer the thought that they were ever wrong about anything so they can remain on “your side.”
And even:
Yes, Trump said Musk knows vote-counting computers ‘better than anybody’
He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide.
— trump, on stage at a victory rally in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 19, 2025
The idiot can’t keep his mouth shut and basically blabbed exactly what they were doing, yet nobody really listened.
It will never cease to astound me.
I do believe people were calling me alarmist for noticing strange patterns.
Like winning all 7 swing states? Your fucking kidding me right?
If Trump had been blowing people out like Reagan did Mondale, ok, but the races were close.
Considering how much of a strangle the right has over most media, I didn’t consider it surprising. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was rigged though.
It is weird but how do you explain that it was a global phenomenon?
Also not surprising that investigations weren’t pushed harder after election and before new administration. Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election. Did they? No. Surprised? Not at all.
Transitions shouldn’t necessarily be smooth if an election was potentially fraudulent — peaceful, yes.
Biden and Garland should’ve put throttle down on a five-alarm-fire investigation into election.
For that matter, Obama should have conducted an investigation into the 2016 election when he still had the power to do so.
Don’t EVER mention that piece of shit quisling coward Merrick Garland without also cursing him ever again.
Wild that that dude was almost a SCOTUS justice.
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Does this mean libs will stop blaming voters?
I believe most of the blame was on non-voters.
Same difference really.
Edit: Seems I was not very clear, I am saying its equally as stupid (and destructive) for a party to blame voters as it is to blame non voters. You know since you tend to win elections by having more people vote for you then the other guys so villainizing and alienating voters/potential voters seems counter productive.
When someone does something stupid, I think it’s only appropriate to blame them for stupid outcomes.
Sure, but others can do that. Its a very stupid thing to do as a political party however.
They did it leading up to the election as well. I thought Barack Obamas attempts to shame voters/non-voters was particularly distasteful. I can’t speak for others but for me, his words pushed me away from the democrat party, not towards it.
Its the end state for a two party system I think. At this point there is not much attempt to run a campaign on policy or plan, just guilt flinging and excuses while both teams say don’t vote for the other guys as they are evil.
I guess both sides could be right, they could both be evil.
Joking aside though I think you are right.
You mean blaming leftists?
They won’t. They can’t even blame the person who’s job it is to be a popular candidate with polices that interest the voting public to win.
