According to the comments r/europe_sub and r/canada_sub might be involved as well.
Palantir
maybe engaging in a coordinated disinformation campaignIs, has been, is designed to, whole purpose is, etc… definitely not “may”…
🤦♀️ 🙄 🤡 🖕 💩
Source? I’ve never heard about pal being used for disinformation
I mean if you read any Reddit that during the road to the recent USA elections, Biden should have won by an extremely large margin, and later , Kamala.
If we used Reddit threads of those months as reference, we’d currently been talking about how hard Kamala won
But she didn’t
So yeah, take whatever is on Reddit, and now Lemmy, with an asteroid sized pinch of salt
Not saying those comments were fake, they certainly represent someone, now, wheater that someone is a sizeable amount of voters…
Snakes on a Plane and Bernie have proven that what you see online is complete bullshit.
Biden got the boot because he was a no-hoper and his party must have been aware of his cancer. Kamala stood ZERO chance.
It sucks to have to admit that Trump and his fascists are popular. Very popular.
But that’s not what the public nor the voters were told
What happened with Snakes on a Plane? I’m only aware of the movie.
Based on online hype, it could be believed that it was going to be the highest grossing movie of all time.
It was an unmitigated disaster and complete flop.
Nobody went to see the piece of shit. Everybody talked about it online.
Huh, I’m amazed - I wasn’t exposed to any of that. I’d only seen the memes about it afterwards.
Think about opening your favorite social media app, and seeing 60% of the posts in support of something… And then when the day comes that thing receives about 1% of RL support.
Snakes on a Plane. Enthusiasm for Democrats 2024.
Damn this explains why I never saw it but did heard of it online
Kinda like the opposite with Avatar from Cameron. The more people diss on the fans, the more they galvanize to see it
I waited 20 years to see that movie.
What a piece of shit
same
They are not popular. Like 30% of the voting eligible public voted for him.
That’s assuming that whoever didn’t vote disapprove of him, and that’s false.
Whoever didn’t vote, was comfortable enough to not oppose him (or Kamala for that matter) and let him get to the white house.
You’re just rationalizing.
As always, trust but verify. I was telling people here for months that Kamala hadn’t won yet and everybody needed to get out and spread the word on Project 2025.
We saw what happened, and we see a lot of opinions here on Lemmy. Trust but verify.
LOL genocide Blue MAGA still crying over their well deserved loss months later.
We saw a massive, concerted “don’t vote, bot sides are the same” effort in Lemmy. It was incredibly obvious and shocking that some people still deny it.
I’m surprised to see a comment on a post from so long ago but yes, it was an incredibly blatant display.
You guys can’t think there are seriously paid bots on lemmy. There are like 10,000 users. It’s basically a niche message board. Reddit is a valuable target because it has millions of users. Facebook, instagram, Twitter. These places are being astroturfed. But lemmy? I honestly don’t believe it. It doesn’t even have a core of users in any particular country. The small user base is spread all over the world. It just isn’t a target of these campaigns.
People are complicated. Everyone always points to “all that anti Kamala talk ended right after the election!” Yeah, maybe a lot of the pro-Palestinian anti Kamala people saying they wouldn’t vote for her stopped speaking so publicly because the reality of the other option sunk in. That doesn’t mean those people are paid trolls or bots. It means their argument got much more difficult when trump started plotting out his Gaza hotel. Those feelings are still legitimate. The feeling of not being able to sign your name to the lesser of two evils when that “lesser” is still funding and arming the genocidal force. People couldn’t swallow that on a personal level. But as soon as trump was elected, because it was one of two options, for the sake of not being angrily brigades, people stopped talking about it.
It’s a much more nuanced issue than bots on lemmy.
It’s even worse on Lemmy because there are fewer users and the amount of data which can be gotten from things like vote data is super valuable.
I am pretty convinced that a non-trivial portion of .ml users are information warfare trainees who get trained on Lemmy before being moved over the Facebook and reddit.
You in turn are overestimating how much effort is required for an established bot farm to add a platform to their system.
I used to see that shit decades ago in the phpBB days, you’d get accounts signing up to a board with 20 active users to post climate change denialist articles, even though the website itself had nothing to do with climate change. (Looking back on it now, the oil lobby was probably the first big user of internet forum astroturfing, but somehow nothing ever came of it…)
Lemmy is in a growth stage. That’s exactly the time groups would want to start embedding bots to give them the most possible credulity for when they’re needed.
It’ll be interesting too as federations are a bit of a wild-west right now with some domains dropping off or being federated, while others may still be created in the future
This is exactly how voat died. There may have been an ounce of legitimacy early on. It veered into blatant far right accounts posting every top post. It’s obvious this kind of thing happens on lemmy too. Especially on certain instances. For now at least the federation model appears to be doing its thing.
Exactly, it blew up exponentionally around 2016 and became of importance. That’s when the US regime put Jessica Ashoosh in place.
All the clowns leaving Reddit bcs now with Trump ‘Reddit isn’t free’ are a joke.
They have been living a lie
It’s weird that a guntuber is where I saw this posted first… Granted he’s very clearly left if you watch some of his videos.
And he just posted a data security video the other day about how DOGE and Palantir are working together.
Which youtuber is that?
Inrangetv
Alex Karp, founder, CEO, and majority shareholder of Palantir, is an ultra-zionist genocide supporter who has repeatedly advocated for pre-emptive murder of anyone (foreign) who does not obey the US empire. He does this in ordinary business news interviews.
As one of the leading companies seeking funding for Skynet, and universal CIA media unanimity on the importance that the US be dominant/first in race to develop Skynet. AGI/Skynet can be programmed to serve any supremacist ideology other than machines, and US empire and CIA aligned oligarchy supremacism is as much your enemy as robot supremacism.
AI, like mainstream media, and reddit/lemmy news, politics, world subs are CIA/empire allegiant. Brainwashing your warmongering support is their agenda. Skynet is far more power maximizing than UBI utopia.
He also considers himself a marxist iirc
BS
link to that? I looked for one.
What the other guy provided is as good as I will find
https://www.businessinsider.com/palantirs-ceo-alex-karp-is-a-self-described-socialist-2018-11
He referred to himself as “socialist” in 2018, apparently.
He’s confused with national-socialist.
Probably double speak. in 2024 election cycle he tried to say he wasn’t picking sides but in same sentence “but democrats cultural marxist wokeness must stop”. Zionist oligarchs turn on liberal values is that being anti genocide is woke.
Of the National variety.
I mean, that’s right on the mark. The reason they called themselves National Socialists isn’t because they were socialists, but because they knew that their true beliefs were so abhorrent that they needed to lie about being socialists.
Elon Musk has been recently shown to have done the same thing.
His actions show he is absolutely not.
Oh no, sounds like I should avoid this reddit you speak of. Any suggestions for alternatives?
Facebook.
Let me throw a disgusted upvote in your general direction.
whispers in your ear
“4‐Chan”
Versions of them are here already. Their focus right now is to:
- start violence at protests, especially around LA and target cities like NY, Seattle, Chicago, etc.
- seed doubt in anything related to the republican agendas or what they have done. Usually starts with, “I hate trump like the rest of us, but…” or something like that.
- downvote the shit out of people that call anything like the above out. They’ll come in later, one by one, to do this.
They usually congregate over the weekend and during or right after major events (like the protest). Watch for them this weekend or stay away from Lemmy. If you watch for it, downvote them and upvote the people fighting them, but most of all, take what everyone says with a grain of salt.
and reddit also wont ban these subs.
this is usually when I would say something conceited like “lol glad I don’t live in the US” but then I realise that I’m just as fucked as the rest of the world and we don’t have a future
hopefully microplastics will invade my colon/heart/kidneys/liver/brain soon and remove me from this living nightmare, I can’t deal with this shit anymore
Yeah, unfortunately they’ll target anyone they can. Brexit wasn’t even a law, it was a general, “Hey, how do you feel about brexiting?” Then they went full hog into, “You voted for it!” They do it with Ukraine/Russia, or anything they feel like targeting.
World disorder that benefits the billionaires seems to be the goal. I’ll never understand why they want to live in a world like that. Raising all boats makes a much more fun world. Who will they hire if we’re in a dystopian landscape, when everyone wants to get you because they have nothing to lose?
Take care of your mental health man. Find peace in the little things in life.
it’s sociopaths who lack empathy. And that leaves them behaving like capuchins. The one on the left is upset at the unfairness. But the one on the right doesn’t care at all. It just keeps taking its unfair advantage.
Raising all boats makes a much more fun world.
Billionaires are pathologically selfish, often it seems with actual personality disorders that make them unable to understand a world of mutual support and sharing, or to appreciate how much they benefit from others’ support. Unfortunately we let these people become far too powerful.
Unfortunately we let these people become far too powerful.
Yep. Enough so, that unelected Musk could walk into any government building and do what he wanted.
Guy. Reddit is already compromised.
The wholesale takeover of the site by /r/The_Donald posters gaming the algorithm back in 2016 is entirely down the memory hole.
Nobody who still uses the site wants to believe they’re being hoodwinked again.
Sometimes I just know about the eminence of the launch of something because of the crap memes about it that start to flood Reddit. Then I see my non-reddit friends sharing it from other sources.
Obvious gorilla marketing is obvious, but people fall in droves.
Governments get really intense creating propaganda when they goto war. So if they’re going to war with Iran, expect lots of propaganda.
Or California.
remember worldnews suddenly shifted to israeli control right as the war started.
The number of pro-Isreal bots is ridiculous.
Palantir is pretty awful. I knew a guy who took a job there, a bunch of years ago. When he said where he was going, I asked “But what if they work on something really shitty? Like spying on people?”. He was like, “Meh”, with a big shrug.
He was friendly and kind to the people around him, but I guess he just didn’t care about anyone he didn’t know personally right now.
I’ve heard that’s how a lot of wealthy people feel. They want the absolute best for people in their family, and that’s about it.
Yup. I’ve worked in tech for nearly 20 years. Most people who work in tech don’t give a shit about the ethics of what they do or where they work if the money is good.
This is a screenshot from one of the discords of current and/or previous coworkers, but the sentiment is everywhere
Sleepwalking into nazi germany with that attitude.
Unfortunately many of the people I work or have worked with are from all over the world, and many of them share these ideals. I took a big pay cut 5 years ago to move from the ad/ecommerce industry to work at an emergency management SaaS company.
The app I now work on is used to save lives, whereas the customers I was producing work for at my last job would do anything for the extra dollar. Knowing where my time is going towards the general good is very rewarding. Yet many people I spoke to in my industry were confused at my decision.
Late stage capitalism and fascism I think eventually are inseparable. Just the centralization of power and wealth consolidation that fails everyone involved in the system except those at the top
Ex pal people are on slack, not discord. This is probably an investor server
Lol are you telling me that the people that I’ve worked with directly in small 5-10 person discord servers that we set up when I worked with them, are in fact investor imposters, and instead the actual coworkers are secretly using separate slack setups? Or do you just imagine that anecdotally how ever your coworkers have communicated is how all people communicate without exception?
Some random goon you met in a 5 person discord isn’t “astroturfing”
If I’m reading this right, you would basically say that any company that helps government institutions spy on people is awful, is that right?
I haven’t thought through all the scenarios and edge cases, but generally spying on the public seems dicey and ripe for abuse. Especially if it’s just like “the public, all the time, whenever we feel like it,” instead of “ok we got a warrant signed by a judge to investigate Joe Bombguy”.
To me, spying and spying on the public en masse are very different things
I think it can be difficult to relate to such abstract concepts and consequences that you don’t feel directly. After all, it’d be much easier to press on a button that’d kill 10 000 people living 10 000 km away from you than to stab one person to death. Out of sight out of mind.
My point being that I don’t think he’s indifferent to people that he doesn’t know, he’s simply not able to process all the ramifications of this particular thing. The effects of data collection and manipulation is quite subtle, after all, like the frog in the slow burning pot
He was a pretty smart guy, so I’m pretty sure he understood the ramifications. This isn’t like a plumber working in a building that happens to house an evil company. This was directly working as a high ranking software developer at a shitty software company.
Sure he does, intellectually, just like I understand the ramifications of buying a smartphone, clothes “made in Bangladesh”, or using a public AI model. Still the human conscience doesn’t apply too much significance to something that abstract. It doesn’t keep me up at night that my lithium is mined by Congolese children - but if I had to buy it personally from a one-armed indentured labourer I’m sure I’d stop immediately. “Out of sight out of mind” isn’t an excuse for committing heinous acts, I’m just saying that it’s not simply that he “doesn’t care about other people”
Right, humans are bad about that kind of thing. I think it has to do with Dunbar’s number? The monkeysphere? It’s hard for us to model a lot of people as full people in our head, especially as they’re more removed from us.
Like you probably don’t really think about the garbage man as a fully fleshed out guy with hopes, dreams, a favorite band, a love that got away, and all that. When you have some absolutely rancid trash, you probably just throw it in the can and forget about it. But if it was your mother or best friend that was going to have to deal with it, maybe you’d be more careful. Wouldn’t want the bag to rip and spray maggots all over Mom.
That’s fine. That’s all of us.
But I think there’s degrees. Shades. Like you mentioned cell phones. Most of us accept the out of sight horrors that go with them. But, like, some people are absolute assholes to wait staff. Just treat the waiter like shit, are rude to the coffee shop people, whatever. I think most of us recognize that as bad.
Somewhere between those two points I think is “I’m going to build software to spy on people”. Personally, I think that should be ok the far side of the line. The not okay side. Why? A bit of self preservation, a bit of ethics, and a helping of “I don’t want to contribute to bad things happening to people, even ones I don’t know”.
This post is getting long. I think you’re right that it’s not as simple as “doesn’t care about other people” but I think that’s a factor.
Absolutely a nuanced area. But on top of not modelling random people as full individuals it’s hard to determine what spying on people might actually mean. I don’t really want to defend working for a company as nefarious as Palantir - even if I honestly hardly knew them before Trump #2 - but convincing yourself that gathering people’s data isn’t problematic is quite easy, and we all inherently accept a wide array of surveillance measures as - willing or unwilling - members of state entities, be it a video camera in a clothing store or governments logging our tax data. Then comes the fact that employees below the level of “board of directors” usually don’t know everything going on in the company; I wouldn’t fault a junior dev choosing to work for, say, ‘cool’ Google or Apple in 2017.
Of course it’s relevant that humans are egocentrical animals; I wouldn’t give my own life to save five people that I don’t know in Moldova. Being too empathetic is a poor trait in a dog eat dog world. Of course we need standards and to hold others up to these standards; I don’t know your friend, what he does at Palantir or when he started working there - maybe he’s a lazy ass that holds them back haha - and I do think, especially with all that’s transpired the past 5 months, that it’s a problematic company to be part of - I just wanted to discuss that I don’t think it’s just lack of empathy
Reddit was already compromised. For those that were there, there was incident that showed that most of the top posts made are made by a handful accounts on several subbreddits. Keep an eye for things like this, in fact you should be suspicious of .world and their actions.
Good thing I switched to .dbzer0.
Same here fellow sailor. Reddit made me feel transparent. Never going back!
Like 99% sure there have been corporate entities doing this for over a decade probably way longer
I mean, obviously Reddit is full of astroturfing and psyops, remember when all of sudden everyone on that bloody website was a die-hard zionist when the week before most americans could not have placed Israel on a map
reddit being manipulated by information campaigns!?
You should assume every online space has disinformation, bad actors, trolls, sea lions, and other types of undergrowth. That is why critical thinking is so important.
Including Lemmy. Especially Lemmy, since it’s so easy to create accounts on different instances, or even host your own.
Very true, but due to its size, it doesn’t really make sense to focus on it.
Yeah there are a lot of reddit-esque comments here acting like they’re too smart to be fooled by that.
Reddit’s been compromised for a while.
We really should be talking about Rampart.
10 years at least.
at the most is when turmp came to power 1st term, suddenly culture war propaganda has cause so many people oversensitivity over race, people were getting banned for even mentioning race in the politics subs.
