• Eheran@lemmy.world
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    So you can see where this is going? What are you going to do about it? What are even realistic options? Perhaps a strongly worded post on X?

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      Instead of bitching in the same public manner they are informing people on, what’s YOUR resolution…or do you just complain about others

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        Not from the USA, very simple for me. I would go outside and talk to people what they think. If they are pro Trump, see why that is. Then show them how he is absolutely not doing anything for them, based on quotes of him directly, if possible.

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          I appreciate the thought and desire to improve things and a rational response. Unfortumately, we’re not dealing with rational individuals. They will not accept any views contrary to their own no matter how much factual, verifiable evidence you put in front of them.

          They will excuse any behavior someone on their side exhibits and will deflect to immidiately talk about something dems did. If they provide a valid example, and you say, “Yes, and that person should also be investigated and punished,” they still won’t admit that their guy did anything wrong.

          This is a cult and we aren’t just saying that. So you can’t just talk them out of it. While some of their views may be valid, they often seek extreme measures to enact their views. Even their good ideas are soiled.

          I’m totally willing to sit down and have a conversation with a conservative, but I draw the line at blind idolatry.

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          In all seriousness, they are cult. They did not logic themselves into their views, so showing proof does nothing. You pushing back (in ANY way) simply make you one of the “others” they are warned about. Doesn’t matter if you were previously considered family, friend, or stranger. Like literally nothing will get through to the peoples who are still stanning DJT until they themselves get hurt to such a high degree AND have no one else to blame (because if there is anyone else they even think they can blame instead, they absolutely will).

          They are conditioned to excuse his behavior at turn even when it makes zero sense and completely verifiable. They do not believe what they can see with their own eyes. Fox and now the mainstream media puts out a ton of propaganda which also contributes. Finally, they truly don’t know how to do scientific research because they don’t respect science (see vaccine deniers, handling of COVID, bird flu, Measels, etc.).

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          God if only it were that easy. People aren’t joking when they say trump could shit on a republican’s face and they’d still blame Biden/Obama/Minorities

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    No way the party incapable of doing anything defeated by the party capable of only evil, never would have seen this coming

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      You’re selling the dems short. They’ve shown theyre capable of facilitating genocide, sending the police to kick the shit out of politically activated college students, the kind who get all their friends to vote, funding ICE, building bigger “migrants overflow facilities”.

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    Don’t WORRY! Democrats ALREADY have the Fundraising text WRITTEN and READY TO GO for when the NEXT Democrat Politician gets Assassinated!

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      Hey but the cities around me had protests that went till 2pm, only on a non-work day and family friendly so everyone could get their photo ops and be home in time to watch the game. That’s surley going to change things right? … right?

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          I understand a bit deeper than that actually. These things aren’t happening with a two hour march on the weekend. This reeks of the BLM protests, where people just wanted to return to the status quo and go back to brunch. And people did go back to brunch and things just continued getting worse, with no systemic changes.

          We need more than a two hour photo-op.

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            I take it you weren’t at these protests. At the one in my city, the end of the protest march had tables and tables full of resistance organizations signing people up to get involved, handing out fliers on ways to do more than wave cardboard signs, etc.

            In many ways, protests like these are onboarding for the resistance.

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              I went to table myself, and saw none or even lingering crowds, but granted it seems like it may have been a local phenomenom for me.

              I was just expecting more out of San Francisco

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                  Nah thats kinda my point actually. It was a two hour photo-op, after which everyone dispersed to go shopping. No real demands, no shutting down of anything, state sanctioned, and directed by the police. That’s not a protest, it’s a parade. Offers no real contention, and no real threat to the powers that be. Often just serves to placate people into thinking they’ve “done their part” and go back to their normal lives as everything gets worse, and curbs people from real organizing.

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        I don’t know. I think it took at LEAST four “peaceful protests” to stop the Nazis, so you still have a way to go.

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      But but but…there “sounding the alarm”. You don’t understand it’s sooooo hard to run candidates someone would really vote for. (sarcasm)

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        Well Trump won in 2024 so obviously that means the american people want conservative policy. Trump moved right, that means if we run on Trumps 2024 platform, every Republican except the wackos further right than Trump will vote for us! And everyone to their left has to vote for us anyway! W/Elon 2028!

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          This is unironically how FPTP systems work. You ALWAYS have to vote for the lesser evil, because if you don’t and the bigger one wins, the other one will shift even more to the right since they know actual voters lean more towards them.

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            Except thats not how anyone who might vote dem works. There is no mythical moderate who won’t vote for free healthcare, but will vote for subsidies for employer-based health insurance purchased through 1 of 50 market places where you have no idea what it will cost each month, what it will cover, what portion of the healthcare cost it will cover, or what the top line bill will be for literally any procedure.

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              They’re not aiming for “moderates” at this point, they’re straight-up aiming for right-wingers. Right-wingers who have a working brain, and when given the choice between a right-wing party and literal fascism, they’ll vote the former. People who like Liz Cheney, basically.

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            That’s why FPTP doesn’t work. It’s a broken electoral system that produces exactly this result, because the majority of people are not willing to vote for lesser evils and you can’t make them no matter how much you scream at them for letting Trump win.

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              Oh no, FPTP works very well, for the two main parties. That’s why neither ever bothered to change it. You’re strong-armed into voting for the lesser evil because if you don’t, everything just keeps getting worse.

              This way you can build a party on a cult of personality revolving on a cartoon villain and get votes, because cults strengthen participation, and another party that is allowed to do literally anything as long as they’re “not as bad as” the other. It’s absolutely perfect for rich people in power who only care about their own benefits.

              And the worst thing is, people keep falling for it. They think they’re giving some sort of comeuppance to the Dems by not voting, but the reality is they don’t care that much if they win or not. They’re rich, they can survive four more years of Trump as long as they don’t oppose him too much.

              Hell, at this point the worst thing you can do to the DNC (besides actually voting for progressives in primaries) is getting them elected, multiple times in a row, so many that the Overton Window shifts and they’ll be forced to actually act as a leftist party because Republicans won’t be able to fash their way into power if they want to get elected.

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                Of course, the purpose of a system is what it does.

                But that means there is no path to fixing anything through voting, and in fact, the worst thing is people believing that voting “works” and voting is the only thing they have to do to change the system. We aren’t going to give Democrats comeuppance to Democrats by voting for them either. Voting is a busybox.

                Do something else.

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                  Consistently electing Democrats will force Republicans to become “less of a threat”, which will force Democrats to have an actual platform since “the other guy” getting elected isn’t as scary anymore. It’s all about shifting the window.

                  The path to fixing the system through voting exists, it’s just not viable as long as people keep staying home because “they don’t like either candidate”.

                  And if people can’t move their asses to do something as simple as voting, I really doubt they have what it takes to actually do “something else” resulting in concrete changes.

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            Okay, but have you considered that these are the policies we like too, and if we can deprive you if other options, we’re just going to do them, and you’re a fascist fir not getting on your knees and praising us?

            -the dnc

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            It is satire of dem logic since Bill Clinton.

            Not even kidding, they call it median voter theory, and genuinely believe the best way to win an election is by 1. Promote the furthest right republican candidate. 2. Triangulate the dem candidate’s positions to be 1 iota to the left of the republican.

            This is how they justify compromised, means-tested policies instead of universal policies; the ones that provide immediate material improvements to people’s lives are too far left, the ineffective policies that help nobody are more in line with what republican would want the dems to pass.

            When this fails, they can only conclude that their policy was too far left.

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              I honestly think that the Dem’s big tent policy from the Obama administration (remember the Blue Dog Dems?) has caused them to become infected by ‘temporarily embarrassed Republicans’ who have slowly but surely used their money and influence to shift the party rightward.

              Think of all those ‘Never Trumpers’, and where they’ve wound up - hell, Kamala was spruiking Liz Cheney!

              Australia is going through its own self-destruction of our mainstream right-wing party - but at least they had the good graces to split into their own loose coalition of ‘independents’ (Teals) instead of infecting our Labor party.

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                It goes back further, Clinton cut welfare and passed draconian, racist anti-drug laws accepting Reagan’s “welfare queens” and “crack babies predisposed to crime” canard the same way Obama built the cages to punish illegal criminal migrants and made healthcare about “skin in the game”, meaning poor paying for health insurance and Harris ran on the most lethal military in history and stopping the migrant invasion.

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                  Undoubtedly; I guess I’m more pointing to the point that I think the ‘neo-liberal’ cancer metastasised within the DNC.

                  Carrying forward with the analogy, it will take a significant commit through radiotherapy (primary challenges to corpo-Dems), chemotherapy (promoting radical left-wing policies), and surgery (forgoing corporate funding in favour of grass-roots support) in order for the party to survive.

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    But hey, at least people are gathering in the streets! If there’s one thing that fascists hate it’s groups of people walking together.

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      I love how American’s are all proud of their “No Kings” turnout but are too stupid to realize at the end of the day it means nothing. It changes nothing. Trump and his Christian Nationalist handlers don’t give a shit and don’t even have to pay attention to it. The county is still falling down.

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        Read this if you’re having difficulty understanding the purpose of the recent protests.

        Spoiler: It’s not to convince Trump of anything.