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Fox News reports that Donald Trump may consider using nuclear weapons to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility
The U.S. military has reservations regarding the success of using a bunker-buster bomb, a non nuclear weapon, to eliminate Iran’s Fordo nuclear facility, buried deep in a mountain. Two defense officials were reportedly briefed that only a tactical nuclear weapon could reach the facility.
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I mean, it makes the most sense to hit that facility with a bunker busting tactical nuke. Probably the only way to significantly ensure enough damage to end production at the facility.
When the cure is worse than the disease.
No
You drop nukes and you cross the line. There is a goddamnrd good reason why nobody uses nukes and trump gets in and now all of the sudden everyone and their mother goes “weeeeeeelll, a tactical nuke, might make sense?”
Fuck. That. Shit.
You do NOT blow up nukes, ever.
So you want / have to hit a facility designed to survive most attacks, even potential nuclear attacks and you chose to not use the weapons best suited?
Yes, correct. Absolutely. Because there are ramifications way fucking beyond that one instance.
Similarly, if my neighbor’s dog sometimes pisses on the petunias, a gun would absolutely solve the problem, yet despite being extremely effective it may not be the best solution.
You’re a fucking clown for suggesting nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are evil, go watch some history videos of what happened to people who were hit by one. And not only that, the destruction is long-term. Using a nuclear weapon to penetrate the Earth will definitely leave the region poisoned for multiple lifetimes.
I hate how the Internet has made all these arm chair idiots think that they are experts now on military strategy and weapons.
But to answer your question:
No, you do not use nukes. If you really need to get in, drop your bunker buster bombs five times more, you have the airspace as you claimed. Hell, drop twenty of em, still cheaper than a nuke but more importantly YOU WONT BE DROPPING NUKES
What part of “nukes are different, nukes are the end” do you not understand?
Once the first nuke drops, you can rest assured that the second will follow soon for -of which I’m sure will be explained as really really- good reasons and then the third will follow closely after because now we found another good reason…
Nukes aren’t just extremely powerful, they’re also extremely devastating to the world and humanity for a long, long time.
Once nukes start, humanity is done.
You. Do. Not. Use. Nukes.
You want them to retaliate with dirty bombs? Get into another terrorist pissing match?
I mean, that may happen at any time, that’s how terrorism works.
I’m sure Jesus Christ would definitely 100% want this.
Jesus was a Palestinian Jew, if Trump met Him today he would send Him to CECOT.
Talked about sharing and didn’t like rich folks. This admin ordnance a huge fan of brown socialists.
I vote for tariffs on the nukes pls taco pls
So we’ll have a war of aggression with Iran for? We don’t like them? Israel has committed more violations of national borders and laws. The KoSA and Egypt’s citizens were involved in 9-11 and they are “allies”.
Maybe they’ve got Saddam’s missing WMDs. . .
All that freshly baked yellow cake
Yeah but israel is our colonial outpost in the middle east, they can do whatever they want
9/11 killed a lot of Americans, ice kills Americans, do you see the pattern here, Jimmy?
If any other country did the things Israel has done, we’d be sanctioning them at a minimum. We invaded Iraq both times for less.
Hell we made up lies about Iraq
This time we are past the need for that. It will all be everchanging bullshit from here on out with the us.
The fact is that conventional bombs can’t eliminate all the underground and mountainous facilities. This requires either a large ground invasion and occupation, at a very high cost, or nuclear weapons.
A ground invasion can’t happen for a number of reasons and Israel and the U.S. can’t allow Iran to continue having a nuclear program means that they will see no other choice but to use tactical nukes.
What about MOP?
What about stuxnet? But i guess no-one involved is looking for non violent solutions.
My point was that the “nuclear bomb is viable vs. other weapons” argument is wrong. MOP is a missile that seems to be specifically crafted for such purposes.
Same guy that kept ripping on Zelensky for “instigating” nuclear war
If this were to happen, it would be a green light for Putin.
Let’s hope to all fuck that our idiotic congress or who the fuck ever, prevents this abject, fucking, idiocy.
Congress isn’t stopping him doing anything. I don’t see them suddenly changing just to prevent global nuclear war.
Congress’ billionaire handlers all have their doomsday prepping done, so they won’t interfere.
I thought I could write solid, dark comments but your comment about having our only hopes based solely on congress wins all the awards for darkest comment ever written.
excluding few hard left or right leaders, our entire congress works for aipac so fat chance of that. they will approve nuking LA and SF if israel told them to.
Ah yes, very smart, let’s use a nuke to blow up a nuclear facility. There couldn’t possibly be a much larger explosion and spread of radiation because of that.
Sounds like science stuff and facts. MAGA doesn’t have any time for those.
Just think of the moths it would attract though
This is how you get Mothra.
I mean, do you promise?
Explosion no. Extra fallout, maybe. But the facility we’re talking about is deep underground, so even if it happens, hopefully that contains some of the fallout.
Unfortunately, ground burst or partial underground bursts are significantly dirtier than air bursts. You only get partial completion of the reaction on the parts closer to the ground or underground which further irradiates the debris that is kicked up. Its all kinds of bad news.
Source?
Well, there actually wouldn’t be a much larger explosion, that’s just not how nukes work.
A nuclear explosion is an incredibly delicate process, and the material just won’t go critical because there’s another detonation nearby. It’s not like dropping a bomb on a dynamite warehouse. There’s not a great analogy for what it is like though. Expecting a satellite launch to happen because you blew up a tank of rocket fuel next to it? Not quite there.Additional contamination from onsite material is a different matter. Most nukes detonate above their target since that maximizes damage, but it also reduces fallout. There would, however, be vaporized material that would be sucked into the air by the vacuum created by the detonation. It’s not clear if the presence of radioactive material would make it significantly worse than the general “radioactive dust and molten sand” that would normally be sent into the air.
In general, if you nuke something there’s going to be radioactive issues afterwards, and you shouldn’t do it. Adding a nuclear facility to the mix is kinda just throwing rocks at the windows on 9/11.
tons of enriched uranium becoming part of the fallout plume and spreading across middle east and possibly some parts of europe and asia is a very likely outcome.
netayanahu is scum enough to not care and trump is too stupid to care. then there is possibilities of pakistan launching nuke in return on israel and then idf activating samson.
What the actual hell.
I’ll wait for the US to demand that Israel destroy its nuclear weapons…this may take a while…
“We want to stop nuclear proliferation by starting a nuclear war.” - these fucking geniuses, apparently
Hey, you can’t deny the world will have a lot fewer nuclear weapons in it afterwards!
WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones.
Just please wait until after I’ve seen Dune Messiah a couple dozen times in theaters. Please. That’s all I’m asking. I don’t even need to get laid again, that ship isnt even that important and it happens to a lot of people every day. I just want to see Dune Messiah before we all die.
Gleefully sounding the trumpet for the end of the world
Can somebody please please stop him before he kills us all?
He will commit whatever horrible atrocity he’s going to commit, and then the world will say he went too far, and only then will the world put an end to it. But unfortunately, the atrocity will come first.
The headline is a reading into it a bit. They said nothing is off the table, but they are confident that a conventional strike would accomplish the goal.
Not that a strike would happen anyway, but they rarely say that any option is completely off the table. A nuclear first strike should be one of those options off the table, but it’s the Trump administration we’re talking about.
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