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            11 months ago

            Just a coincidence they spontaneously parrot all of Putin’s talking points?

            Nah, I’m not saying they’re all Russian, but they’re clearly compromised somewhere. A lot of somewheres.

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              I totally understand the reasoning behind thinking it’s state actors or certain members being shills–But there’s not much to gain for governments to shill in niche, extremist communities. Why shill your loyal followers when they parrot everything already? Instead, it’s much more effective to use large, mainstream social media websites, like Twitter, Reddit or Facebook, just check out anything politically trending to see the shills and contrast them with these users.

              It is true, these small communities do swallow up state propaganda without much thought, but they aren’t shills. Most are just lonely people who hate everything and themselves.

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                11 months ago

                I think it’s fairly important to remember that Hexbear/Lemmygrad are basically why Lemmy exists, and largely emigrated after the Reddit Chapo ban, at least as far as I understand things.

                They weren’t entirely niche communities at first, and now they’re the most active communities on Lemmy, which may or may not grow into something bigger, but most importantly they’ve inherited the damage the used to have.

                I mean, have you ever listened to ChapoTrapHouse? They were pretty solidly democratic socialist. Something happened to that community to turn it into Hexbear. It could have been natural, but their messaging is just so consistent it seems unlikely.

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      10 months ago

      All that organ harvesting torture and sexual assault of prisoners and human rights violations… uhm hmhm um ashtually you see it was all just a very successful deradiclisation campaign m’lady

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    11 months ago

    This is a factor in why I really want kbin/mbin to succeed. I also think it has the potential to be the better platform, but only time will tell.

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      11 months ago

      I think both kinda suck, so I’m making my own that’s completely distributed instead of federated. That way hosting costs are near zero (just need some P2P nodes and a download server) and scaling to higher user counts should be automatic if I build it right.

      The problem is that building it right is hard, and I don’t have a ton of time.

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          Not yet, but I’ll definitely post something when I get to a point where I’m ready to share the code. I definitely want it to be open source, I just want enough functionality there so the long term vision is clear.

          But here’s some details of what I’m trying to achieve:

          • web of trust-based moderation - no “mods,” only metadata from people you trust (upvotes, downvotes, blocks, etc)
          • all storage on devices of users of the service - the more storage you provide, the better your experience; your preferred communities have first priority, but everyone stores something random from the service
          • text posts only, at least to start - images/videos need to be hosted elsewhere

          I’m building it initially as a desktop app, but I’ll port it later to mobile and maybe web (still trying to figure out how web would work; maybe some notion of instances?).

          I’m hoping to bridge to lemmy with an ActivityPub service to get content, but I’m not working on that until the above is ready.

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      14 days ago

      I’m having a hard time accepting that lemmygrad and hexbear are practically official Lemmy shit, instead of just these weird parasitic communities that flocked to a more open platform after being banned everywhere else.

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    11 months ago

    People are advocating about blocking commingles and stuff when one doesn’t like then, and here we are with people obsessed with 2 other people digging all their past comments from years ago and reposting in a community here anything that doesn’t reaches this place because it is either blocked or defederated.

    So if anyone has blocked them, not to miss the news smh

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    I’ve got no loyalty at all to communism or marxism. But I do have a loyalty to honesty, and I have to object. I don’t see a denial of the Massacre in the screenshotted comment. I see a characterization of it as some kind of US-led attack.

    They aren’t saying anything like “that didn’t happen” or “people didn’t die”. Maybe they say it elsewhere, but not here.

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    11 months ago

    Go to lemmygrad.ml and post about Russia or China. You will read insane ramblings about projections. Somehow the argument is always “look at this bad thing in the west, here is completely misinformed info about your country, look how good Russia/China, skip over genocides you are projecting it is happening in the West, to finish my argument Are You a Nazi?!”.

    Yougoslavia was created by soviets/russia. His beloved communists. I am super interested in what mind gymnastics he has to excuse that.

    He could have gone with Africa or Middle East, much better example of collosal fuck ups of Ze Bad West. But that would require knowledge of history longer than 50 years.

    Also crying about Poland. As a guy living in Poland, hearing stories of people that fought in WWII and people that lived in communist Poland, I am so interested in how these first hand accounts are US misinformation.

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      11 months ago

      I was banned from Lemmygrad for statements that were critical of the authority of the USSR, and writings of their savior Karl M.

      I was banned from Lemmy.world for anti-zionism. Most of the Lemmy side of the fediverse seems infested with authoritarianism that’s as bad as Reddit’s corporatism.

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        My bans from lemmy.ml have all come from literally arguing that there are a solid 150 years worth of academic ideas building on Marx and that taking Marxist orthodoxy as the exclusive socialist dogma in that context is simply ignorant.

        I am starting to think that they hate revisionist socialists more than actual capitalists, because it seeks to deny them the thing they really want, which is a justification for violence and totalitarianism.

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          They’re conservatives. Hierarchy is the only way they decide what’s real. It’s the same tribalist thinking that produced the Lady Hope hoax - saying Darwin recanted on his deathbed, as if that would cancel out the last 150 years of evolutionary biology. They genuinely do not understand science or philosophy, because they don’t believe arguments can be evaluated, except in terms of interpersonal trust.

          So in their minds - if Marx was wrong, about anything, then the whole business might as well be made-up. It is impossible for someone to simply be wrong. They have to be lesser. They must be undeserving of their station, because their station is the only reason they get to decide what is true.

          In this worldview, it is your job to make whatever mouth noises justify that mutable truth. I say “your job” because this is all they think you’re doing. This is all they think there is. There is no other force in their moral universe. This is quite possibly the human brain’s default behavior, and it is not fragile.

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          8 months ago

          Leftist fetishism for ideological purism is what will always lead to their demise any time they manage to get any meaningful power.

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            14 days ago

            I liked it when we mostly focused on welfare, education, and safety regulation. Those were the things that really mattered.

            The proletariat seizing the means of reproduction and having riotous revolutionary street parties with burning vehicles and smashed windows and firing squads for the sake of ending worker alienation isn’t really something that will help anyone with anything.

            Especially if you’re just gonna top it all off by handing over power to a group of cruel hardasses when you’re done, when you’ve got your fill of raging against the city.

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    11 months ago

    Does anyone create a social media platform without being an absolute nutjob? Tom from Myspace, maybe?

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      11 months ago

      Don’t quote me on this but I went to school with Tom and, during a dissection, nicked my finger with a scalpel. He quickly lifted my hand and proceeded to suck my finger for the rest of class. It took 3 large men to separate my digit from his mouth and 2 more to fish out my fingertip. I heard they pumped 3 pints of blood from his stomach.

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    11 months ago

    Could anyone please add more context? I see some reddit user spewing some bullshit, but how do we know that’s Dessalines? Genuine question…

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    11 months ago

    Lemmy is a poisoned seed. Besides the questionable lead developers, you have the most popular lemmy instances enforcing rules arbitrarily while lying about it and removing entries from the modlog arbitrarily making them all but useless. At least it will be a good exercise in determining how well its federated nature allows it to survive.

    Given how often it has happened, I’d say it’s the fate of these sort of migrations from other major social networks to be spearhead by lying opportunists and people trying to hide their flaws through abuse of power. Unfortunately, social networks are far removed from the time when the people doing the spearheading where acting as good faith developers exploring what was possible - they’d probably be among the first to get gaslit and DDOSed.

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    11 months ago

    Recently had someone argue Palestine isn’t genocide because the Arab population in Israel is going up.

    Any obsession with birth rates is a red flag for brain worms, as surely as talking about skull shape.

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      There’s some fair clause that it is a genocide, though if it is, it goes both ways. That and most of the conditions that Palestine and Gaza put themselves in are from their own mistakes and faults in the past, such as declaring war a few times (and losing all of them), attacking their neighbouring countries and attacking Europe.

      Not that this justifies Israel’s violence. They were killing innocent Arabs before Hamas.

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      11 months ago

      except they make decisions that affect the entirety of lemmy, such as introducing Hexbear into the fediverse

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            11 months ago

            Oh, okay but do the Lemmy devs really have control over who starts an instance? Isn’t this the whole point of the fediverse or do I have it wrong?

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              They don’t have control over instances, no. However they can deny tech support or delisting your instance with others across the fediverse.