Please go into lots of detail - some of us are taking notes!
Dream country? Monaco, lol. But more realistically either Canada, Australia or New Zealand
I’m an antinationalist with regards to usa. No
Someplace in the Anglosphere. I don’t think I have it in me to learn a new language just to get by in day-to-day life. New Zealand, maybe.
Unfortunately, my immensely low income and numerous medical issues means that I’m not much of a candidate for emigration.
Also, ideally, a region without a lot of insects.
In any case, though, I’m probably going to die here, stubbornly. If these fascist fucks want me dead bad enough to see it through, I’m at least going to inconvenience them with getting rid of my body.
Dream? Hard to say since I’ve never been outside the US. Maybe Ireland?
Reality? Pretty much anywhere that I would have the opportunity to make a living.
Canada, I’m a citizen there as well
Finland or Norway.
I don’t want to start over. I’d rather die.
you’re lucky you’re not in love with an immigrant then
I’m latina and my husband is Latino. From what it looks like we’re all being arrested and questioned based on appearances alone. We’re all not lucky.
I’m taking Spanish right now, both to better support immigrants in my community and to possibly move to Oaxaca Mexico if necessary. I plan to visit a few more times in the next year or so, just to figure out things just in case. I don’t feel like it’s the time to leave yet - I have a pretty good intuitive sense for disasters.
I LEANfired at 44 so I can’t really go somewhere that requires a work visa, and I’m not rich enough for a golden ticket in many places.
France is actually a possibility because I’m fluent, I lived there briefly- but I prefer the art and culture in Mexico, and generally people are easier to get to know.
I’m also visiting my friends off grid in Montana, and may discuss with them rolling my tiny house up there someday. I know there’s a lot of crazy people up there but where they are is a bit away from that.
Why is the difference between immigrant and ex patriot?
If you migrate from a rich country to a poor country you’re an expat.
If you migrate from a poor country to a rich country you’re an immigrant and you’re both lazy and taking all the jobs and welfare and healthcare.
It’s relative to the country - you expatriate from your country of origin, and become an immigrant to a new host country.
Expatriate and emigrate are more or less synonyms.
ex patriot
That’s what I became when the Nazis took over as a result of being overwhelming popular to US voters. Turns out it’s not just a handful of powerful fuckers taking advantage of the rest of us: ‘we the people’ are, for the most part, just evil.
No, the difference is whether you are just residing outside your home country or actually immigrating to the new country. It is the difference between a vacation and moving somewhere. It is more along the lines of external patriot than former patriot.
Someone who still sees themselves as a citizen of their home country and just happens to live elsewhere is an expat. So an American living in Mexico is an expat, no matter what their length of stay is. If they immigrate, they are moving permanently and they see themselves as a part of the new country, either by seeking citizenship or claiming that as their ‘home’ as part of their identity.
silly responses here… the actual difference is permanence. immigration is relocating your life. expatriating is an extended vacation. it has the white guy connotation because white people usually stay temporarily, they dont immigrate for life.
My post was a bit tongue in cheek. I was pretty sure it was just peops not wanting to say immigrant even if they are staying forever.
maybe! there is probably also some joy in saying that you’re leaving the old world behind
Ex patriots move to work in a foreign country for a limited period, with the intention of returning to their home country. Typically these are white collar workers who move between their employer’s offices for 2-3 years and then return home.
Immigrants move with the intention of staying in the new country long term.
However, with the negative connotations attached to immigrants, some people - primarily white, highly educated people - incorrectly refer to themselves as expats, even once it’s clear they intend to stay.
I’ve seen a lot of online hate for expats
Ex patriot is a whitewashing term for immigrant. Because immigrants has a negative connotation so whites had to make up another term so they could differentiate themselves.
“Expatriate”
Buddy I already have. ✌️
That is what I figured.
Vietnam? Cuba? Hard to say, never having been out of the Continental USA.
Ireland. I’m a firm believer that if you move to a region that speaks a different language, you need to make a genuine effort to learn that language. After having 3 years of foreign language (including a year of Gaelic when I lived in Ireland as a child for a year), I know it’s not my thing, so an English speaking country is a requirement for me. Ireland is gorgeous, and still in the EU. Scotland would also be top of the list if they split from the UK and joined the EU.
We’re thinking Scotland. There’s some real nice homes for reasonable prices. My wife’s already a UK citizen so that helps.
Not much, though - I’m English, and we worked out it would cost £20k for the various visas. On top of that, you need to pay an NHS premium, even though you would already be paying for it through the usual national insurance deduction from your salary. It will also take 10 years before they are a citizen.
We decided to stay here (Germany). Less costs and, sadly, better health care.
As a Canadian, it appears to me that most of the Americans who want to move here are doing so because they like and support the way that Canada is currently functioning, and that’s fine by me.
Immigrants who want the country to change for them are problematic. I almost think that first generation immigrants shouldn’t get to vote, it should be a gift to their children rather than themselves. That shouldn’t even need the child to be born in Canada, I’d actually be fine with anyone who goes through at least half their primary education (so let’s say grade 7 or younger) here being included if they moved here with their parents when they were younger.
Why would you assume that every single (non American) immigrant that comes here would want to change the way Canada is run? Considering the vast majority come here because they like the way it’s run. This is such a wild take.
Besides, the politics of this country were built on genocide and do not reflect the values of the land’s original caretakers that were here for tens of thousands of years. But I guess those first immigrants were correct in changing the way things are run here and so we should be upholding their values and their values only??
I hate the original people argument. There is no land on this earth that wasn’t conquered multiple times. Even the first nations in North America warred against each other and took land from each other many times before the Europeans showed up. It wasn’t a giant happy campfire singalong for 10,000 years.
Okay, but given your original comment that the people who “are already here” (eg. Canadian citizens) should be the only ones to vote, you do seem to be lending weight to the idea that people who were already here should be making the decisions.
Do you think that the first immigrants (settlers) to come here from England and France should also not have been allowed to decide on how the country was run? Or is it only new immigrants that shouldn’t be allowed a voice in government? What’s the cutoff?
I think they took the land, just like everyone else has been taking land for all of human history, and applying modern government concepts to something that happened a few hundred years ago is stupid.
We can try to prevent future injustices, we can fix wrongs that occurred in the lifetimes of people who are alive (like reparations for residential schools) but trying to go back and change things for anything done prior to anyone alive existing is stupid.
So the cutoff is “is anyone still alive that it directly happened to” and descendents do not count.
i think if i immigrated to Canada I’d fight for First Nations rights and want it to change in favor of that
I wish I’d married a Canadian in 2004 when the getting was good, haha.
I even speak some French.
I moved to Japan back in 2015. If I had it to do over, I might do Finland or Norway.
I’m Canadian. I don’t mind accepting American refugees as long as we also learn to accept refugees from other countries and value them all equally, but our current government isn’t doing that.
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