I can eat sushi, pizza, samosas, kebab (kabobs, döner or shawarmas depending on your frame of reference), gyoza/pot stickers/tortellone/pasteczki (or whatever), noodles/ramen/spaghetti, knödeln/kroppkakor and so on and so on. Leaving lots of cultures unsaid.
I can enjoy music, cringy cultural movies (animated and not), fun cirque sessions (even without animals being endangered), go to festivals for various cultures, enjoin then in our cultures of scouting, mountaineering, hiking and share my love of enjoying nature.
I can drive electric cars, communicate on Internet forums, keep in touch with new friends as well as loved ones across the world.
I would be in a much poorer world without you all.
Reminds me of this for some reason
That is pretty on the nose, but still an interesting perspective.
It might be on the nose, but we sure as hell have regressed in my short lifetime.
I dunno, the left path looks far easier because it’s far less uphill
Besides all of that valid stuff, immigration is the only reason the US doesn’t have slowing/declining population numbers like many developed countries now have.
The irony is most Americans are descendants of immigrants.
“You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
What a godless country.
100% agree. The biggest overlooked benefit of immigrant culture is the mirror it offers us on our own practices and beliefs. When seeing what others do it gives us the chance to reaffirm that our actions are correct, or even more important, modify our actions for the better by adopting their view on something. We get to cherry pick the best parts of cultures around the world and discard bad practices that are perhaps “traditional” because we see our immigrants have a better approach. In the end of either we get the chance to be the best versions of ourselves with constant exposure to new ideas and ways of doing things.
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I’m from the bike/pedestrian-friendly community of /fuckcars. It’s a far whiter immigrant mentality, but I imagine trends like that wouldn’t have occurred if not for Dutch immigrants; or even American immigrants visiting the Netherlands, most specifically the Not Just Bikes channel.
Noone says immigration is evil. The whole discourse in US is all around illegal immigration specifically. Lot of people conflates these two things
Do all y’all just have a text to cut and paste from?
…so you just haven’t been paying any attention at all? We’ve already dropped the “illegal” part and are targeting legal immigrants and, in some cases, even actual citizens (if they’re brown, of course).
and also political dissidents, probably soon. considering that trump doesn’t care about the law, and has actively threatened to do so.
But then the moment someone tries it legally, they get assaulted by ice 5 seconds after being rejected.
Doesn’t solve the problem that most people immigrate, illegally or otherwise, due to some desperation. Humans will always move to where they believe their life will be better. Has been like that for the past 10,000 years.
You do know they’re rounding up and incarcerating/deporting legal immigrants and talking about denaturalizing citizens, right? They left that argument behind about only going after “illegals” after the inauguration. Now we’ve got Stephen Miller basically recreating internment camps and Laura Loomer talking about feeding 65 million Hispanics to alligators.
The problem is that the right do not consider asylum seeking to be legal even though it is infact legal. So you get the right deport people who are legally in the country while saying they’re only deporting illegals. Its a fracturing of reality.
according to trump, all immigration is illegal.
Uhh… I am pretty sure a big portion of people see immigration as something bad in the USA. There is a reason they are deporting so many “non-illegal” immigrants.
they’ve swallowed the racist FlavorAde a long time ago
are you lying to me or to you
how much does the current federal administration care about the legal/ illegal dichotomy in their blatantly cruel & unnecessary actions against the most vulnerable of our neighbors & associates?
It’s about people who aren’t white.
Brexit wants a word.
In this thread alone there are two people calling all immigration bad.
The whole discourse in US is all around illegal immigration specifically.
That’s a bold claim.
Ah yes. That must be why ICE is ambushing people as they attend their immigration court hearings that they are required to attend in order to be here lawfully.
Go back to sucking on paint chips and leave the discourse to people who arent completely brain damaged.
The problem is when immigrants from countries with lower labour standards and poorer conditions are effectively used as “scabs”, to suppress wage growth and unionization. And I fear the capitalists who benefit from this are pushing the “you just hate immigrants” narrative to protect it.
And how do you propose the solution?
Seize the means of production?
I would say make sure people have a clear way of becoming legal immigrants. If they are legal, make sure the labor laws are enforced. So no paying under minimum wage, make sure the workplace is a safe place, etc.
I would say make sure people have a clear way of becoming legal immigrants.
Right now there are legal paths to immigration, and that’s who ICE is deporting- people trying to do things ‘the right way’.
We should make sure the labor laws are enforced for everybody regardless of their immigration status, that would go a long way towards addressing the issue you are talking about. It’s not the fault of people desperate enough to accept being exploited, it’s the fault of companies doing the exploiting, they are what needs to be fixed.
You realize that there are other countries…
I do realize that. What does that have to do with my comment?
Your comment for me reads as every legal immigrant is getting deported by ICE, not some but all and as the US isn’t the only country that has immigrantants, it reads as false but maybe I just can’t read which wouldn’t be surprising.
Your comment for me reads as every legal immigrant is getting deported by ICE, not some but all
It’s a significant number of them so far and I see no signs of it slowing down. Perhaps the goal is to deport every legal immigrant? At any rate it’s enough of them to expose the lie that MAGAts have been spouting for the last decade that they “have no problem with immigrants, they have a problem with illegal immigrants.” Clearly that isn’t the case.
Besides even deporting just one LEGAL immigrant is one too many. Especially when they aren’t just being deported, but being thrown in foreign prisons/ possible death camps.
and as the US isn’t the only country that has immigrantants, it reads as false
I’m still not sure what you are getting at, what does other countries having immigrants have to do with how we treat immigrants in the U.S.? Other countries also have authoritarian dictatorships, that doesn’t mean we should have one here.
Lobby the government to stop doing that. In the meantime, teach them their rights, how to unionize, help them with food security and finding a place to live, so that they aren’t in such a precarious position that makes exploitation so profitable.
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We definitely see a gross incentive where companies don’t want people to become citizens because it allows their labor to be cheaper.
I think back in Trump’s first term, he had one policy that I genuinely agreed with - that the H1B Visa program should have a very high minimum salary to it, returning it to its intended purpose of being used for rare, high-talent specialized positions. As it stands, HR will just invent overly specific criteria so that they can deny local citizens jobs, claim they can’t find anyone, and then hire cheap H1Bs - and threaten them with deportation anytime they complain.
Needless to say, because it was a good idea and anti-corp, Trump dropped it almost immediately.
Yeah but good luck holding a sign that says “Don’t shop here, they hire immigrants”.
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I would stop normalizing the theory that immigrants are here only to do badly paid jobs.
I’ve hear too many times “without immigrants who would work in insert miserable badly paid job?”.
Immigrants are not here to do the most miserable jobs without getting properly paid for it.
I think progressive forces should stop with that discourse. I find it a little dehumanizing. If you don’t want to do that shitty job I don’t know why anyone would think that a person, only because they are an immigrant, want to do it for you.
You make a good point.
But that’s a response to “they took our jorbs!”. It’s a reframing for immigrants targeted at the reactionaries. But it is the reality - immigrants, particularly undocumented or agricultural visa recipients, are the bedrock of our society
It’s terrible that they are in such unethical conditions. It’s terrible that they have a carve out for child labor for seasonal farm workers. The entire power dynamic is akin to indentured servitude at best
But what we have to do is give them legal status and protections first.
They are not working the worst jobs because that’s what we tell them they can be, they’re working the worst jobs because they’re extra exploitable
America would be a boring ass country if it was just white America. I have been saying this
It wouldn’t even be white America. Europeans are all immigrants
Never forget, the rest of the world is on the internet too. As I am. Not American. ❤️
My apologies 😘
Thank you… uh… please leave those sharks alone…
Fascism always promotes blandness and boredom. When the dust of chaos settles, that’s all that is left.
plus the lack of economic size, stems/military it is today.
Couldn’t agree more except one little nitpick. Pizza was invented in America.
Not sure where you got that idea. Pizza was brought to America by Italian immigrants, but it has existed for long before that. Modern pizza is well known to have originated in Naples.
Hmmm, I’ve “known” that for a long time. I know pizza in Italy is not the same as pizza in America and is typically eaten with a fork and knife. Maybe that’s what I was thinking or maybe I’m confusing it with a different supposedly Italian food.
You American’s lost your manners the moment you sent off that declaration of independence huh? The civilized people on this side of the pond do tend to use utensils for their food.
LOL. Yeah, we’re animals man.
and is typically eaten with a fork and knife
Afaik that varies by region
You might be thinking of the classic spaghetti and tomato sauce with ground beef?
I believe that one originated with Italian-American immigrants
Could be. Really thought it was pizza. Gonna be hard to unlearn this.
But either way, Italian immigrants freakin’ rocked the American culinary world and I’m eternally grateful
Absolute agreement there.
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Not in Canada. Unless they want to go out of business.
Agreed 100%. Unfortunately the people who need to read this are not on Lemmy.
No, I’m pretty racist and needed to read this. /s
I’ve seen a few anti-immigrant comments pop up around here that have been upvoted and they’ve made me pretty sad.
This thread makes my immigrant ass happy though so thank y’all.
Well, by the look of this comment section there’s at least one who really needed to hear the message, but seemingly didn’t take it to heart.
dont let the fascist whoresons read this, they will frame you mentally deranged and a danger to their homogeneous society
Theirs is not a homogeneous society. They are demented and fragmented.
Fuck their homogenous society, its total lack of art, its dog shit food, and its boring everything. Plus its queerphobia and intellectual stasis. Stillness is death. They have guns; they can get that for themselves any time they like.
Plus I’m kind of autistic. People already look too much the same. If they stopped being different colors and sizes with different types of hair i would not be able to go outside.
It didn’t take long before they started deporting anyone and everyone. By no means just violent criminals. Horse shit.
What happened to the bull(shit)?
You want to diversify your shit.
But careful not to go apeshit.
No, that’s fine if it’s sufficiebtly processed. You want it to be from a vegan though.
Oh ok.
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I fucking love the diversity of the United States. It enriches us all.
Diversity is everywhere, the US isn’t special (in any good way, at least).
no, but we could make a special place that is extra welcoming to diversity and immigrants, and I would like to live there and call that place America
I didn’t say it was. Thanks.
