A good chunk of websites are just broken with Firefox and their not even broken in obvious ways. Some times they fail to load, sometimes they render weirdly, sometimes their just unresponsive. I use Firefox as my main browser but I always have something chromium based as my backup for when a website I wanna use just doesn’t work. A lot of the time I don’t even think to use it and assume the site would be broken on chromium as well but nope. Its almost always Firefox:/.
Can you give any examples where we can see these differences?
The royal mail tracking website for example brings up an obnoxious full page block on top of the actual content. Only happens on Firefox on android. Chrome worked fine.
Edit: also, just for reference, I’m amazed anyone actually needs examples of this. Its very well known that different browsers have different supported functionalities and unless the webdevs are properly customising styles and scripts for different platforms their gonna deviate. Thusly its not surprising most stuff only works as designed on Chrome since that’s the only Web browser that’s guaranteed to be tested on (it has the lions size of market share, to the point Firefox barely even registers).
Interesting! Thanks for the screenshots. I’m on iOS, so not familiar with Chrome vs FF on mobile.
I was curious for an example because it’s probably been a decade since I’ve had an issue with FF rendering something improperly (or even differently) compared with Chrome. A while back, we did have one internal webpage at work that had a very small difference in FF, but that went away after a few FF updates happened. I was the only one who ever noticed the difference.
Don’t look at me, I’ve been an Opera fan for more years than I care to admit.
Opera, like Edge and Brave is just Chrome in a trenchcoat
RIP Presto :( I wish they had open-sourced it when they abandoned it
Even after it’s been sold to a Chinese company?
I saw recent versions of Opera and it’s looks like dogshit, how do you use it guys? (and why?)
It’s a combination of having used it forever and it has all the features I want. Part might also be that subversive little me likes using something not everyone knows exist.
I mean there is a lot of other browsers which offer even more features (and also better privacy & interface). Also I don’t think that people don’t know what opera is, in my country it’s was (and maybe is) very popular
I don’t need a lot of features others don’t have. I started using it before it used chromium as a base and kind of just stuck with it. I do like the built in ad blocking and VPN, even though I have a stand alone vpn.
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I got my dad to try Firefox and he said it drained his phone battery like no tomorrow, so now he uses brave because it doesn’t
I’ve been using Firefox for years on my phone with no such problems, so I can’t exactly verify what he’s saying
It’s possible dad was lying.
Firefox keeps adding stuff I don’t want, Chrome keeps removing stuff I do want.
I wish there was a browser that just does what I want, and lets me turn off the stuff I don’t want.
QuteBrowser. You control it completely. you can add scripts you want, remove stuff you don’t want. I have mine tied in with my bitwarden account so easy password management. I have a script that skips all youtube ads and has never been detected by google because technically I’m “watching the ads” it just immediately skips them. it’s tied in with greasemonkey so it makes adding customs scripts for whatever site I use a breeze. It has vim style navigation so it’s super quick to move around and don’t need to use a mouse.
I love it, I’ll never use a different browser again. Plus the dev for it is really cool and very helpful.
This look to be amazing. I live by a CLI, but most browsers have some keyboard shortcuts at best. This one seems to have the capability to be fully KB using a VIM-like command line, which is awesome.
Thanks for the recommendation!
I use FOSS browser on frim f-droid. Federated SearxNG engine.
I wanted to try Brave a couple of years ago. I ran the installer, and it was one of those pieces of shit installers that just goes ahead and installs without any input from the user, dumping god knows what onto your system, and it puts everything in some obscure AppData subdirectory that can’t be deduced without right-clicking the desktop shortcut. I uninstalled it without even launching it once.
If a user is 50/50 on whether or not they just installed malware, you might wanna check your programming practices.
SCNR if they were able to make good decisions, they would never have switched to chrome anyway. /s
tbh, i don’t get all the mozilla/firefox hate. even “the linux project” missed the mark by a mile with his firefox critique.
whatever mozilla does, it’s not even half as evil as google
We learned that from politics in general. Vote for the lesser evil, not for the optimal choice, as there is none, sadly.
For me, it’s because I’m a web developer and most people use chrome. I have to run my code on a browser that is close to what people will really use. I have noticed a blind spot recently where I assumed another project I’m working on is similar, but that one I think has more Firefox users. Likely I’ll have to change my preference by project.
Also, hot take, Chromium is actually a very good browser aside from all google’s nonsense. I’ve had to turn to list virtualization to handle large lists of elements, but I noticed Chromium was much more forgiving of these lists compared to safari. Admittedly I need to do more Firefox testing.
I think people get too caught up on which browser is the best. Probably a good thing we have both brave and Firefox as options. I know brave has done its own share of nonsense, but it’s still miles better than chrome.
So why not use chromium then? Or Cromite. Both are more bare bones than brave and would give you a better view of what your audience will see.
Honestly, mostly cause I’m busy. I’ve been using brave for years. I work 9-5. When I’m not working, I’m spending that time either on a side project or with friends or family. And it hasn’t bothered me enough yet to make the switch. Generally I like tinkering, but for some reason this specific thing hasn’t interested me much recently. I’d rather spend time customizing neovim lol.
I also went down a browser fingerprinting rabbit whole a few years ago. It became pretty evident to me that the more I try to customize my browser experience, the more unique my fingerprint becomes. It’s impossible to avoid. Here a really interesting article on how you can be fingerprinted even without JavaScript.
So I’m just trying to live my life. I see zero ads since using brave. I don’t have to think about some complex combination of browser extensions, because the built in ad blocking just works. I turned off all the obnoxious crypto stuff on day 1, and I haven’t seen any of it since.
Don’t you normally test in Firefox as well?
I use FF on android, but on my (ancient) desktop, it just runs like shit, while any of the chromium variants “just work”.
I tried out Firefox on my phone a year or two ago. I had a number of issues, including accessing secure pages for work. I have little doubt that it wasn’t Firefox at fault so much as it was narrow testing by website developers, but the end result was problems for me regardless of who was at fault, so I switched back to Chrome.
cause most people just google a chrome alternative. they dont do research. brave gives them a surafce level adblocking, and they feel fine with it.
Doesn’t Firefox still have brand recognition though? I’d have thought even people who answer “google” to “what browser do you use” would have heard of firefox, and therefore looked it up rather than using the neurons to ask, “what alternative browsers are there?”
You’re assuming people know things about the tech field. Very few do. I mean, those of us that do recognize the name Firefox. But someone who heard from a friend that Google went on trial for bad monopoly practices and wants to deGooglefy has no idea what’s available or what any of it means.
Because Brave is by default what Firefox is when you install Librewolf instead - and more. And you can refuse to see that and be wrong about it, I don’t care. I use Librewolf because I want to, I still think it’s not the better browser.
I have Firefox but gave Brave a shot too. Works fine for me. I’ll use anything that gets around YouTube ads.
Try vivaldi. Much less fuckery than Brave
- Brave is more secure than Firefox, in terms of sandboxing capabilities that it inherits from chromium.
- Brave includes a default adblocker and use their own search engine, compared to Firefox which does not have a default adblocker and uses Google as the default search engine.
- Brave is more efficent in terms of CPU and GPU usage, while Firefox is more efficient in terms of Ram usage.
- Brave is relatively stable(Not a lot of surprising changes) compared to Firefox.
- Brave is better looking out of the box(Wallpapers, New Tab Page (NTP) Customization and built-in Themes).
promotion, especially as a ‘security focused’ browser with ‘uncommon’ features.
