• elbucho@lemmy.world
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    This is giving strong “I hope nobody finds out I went to Epstein island” vibes.

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        As a writer, how can he be this clueless about character continuity and congruency?

        All this does is implicate his involvement. I know he was coked out of his mind for decades but I never would’ve associated him with Epstein previously… Come to think of it, cocaine was probably how he met Epstein/Trump.

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          I’m gonna be hopeful and assume that he means there’s probably no outright list of customers, as in, no black book with names, phone numbers and who they abused, but instead emails, messages etc that link a lot of very powerful people to disgusting crimes.

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            I never heard anything about the list specifying which celebrity abused which child. I thought it was — at most — people who are strongly implicated through Epstein’s private comms, documents, etc.

            We already know who went to the island, but simply accepting a holiday from a billionaire doesn’t imply involvement with his criminal syndicate.

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              thats not what he implied at all, hes saying the LIST IS AS REAL AS TOOTH FAIRY AND THE santa claus, so basically saying it doesnt exist. it also implies he is on the list.

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      You mean the guy who wrote about a bunch of like 12 year olds running a train on their friend so they were all considered adults to defeat a clown?

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    It’s nice of the people on the list to out themselves. At this rate we can just compile it ourselves.

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    Those grok replies are… something… That AI seems to be emulating Muskrat’s personality, which is gross.

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      Wasn’t there reports that Musk specifically altered Grok’s code to include a filter which checks Musk’s posts for his perspective first before formulating a response.

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        musk really tows the line between being repulsovely vile and also so painfully pathetic.

        like buying a social media to force people to give you attention wasn’t enough? need a bot to tell people how special you are? someone put that pathetic baby in a nursery for overgrown adult babies.

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        That was my first thought too. He thinks grok is how he’ll live forever.

        Honestly, I think that’s the end goal for these billionaire fucks. We know Thsill is interested in that. Death is the one thing these psychopaths can’t buy their way out of.

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      I really wanna go check because of morbid curiosity but touching the cesspit known as Twitter is like knowingly walking into a septic tank and coming out with the smell all over you

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    I was just reading up on this subject, and for the life of me, even if King believes this to be true, I can’t understand why he wouldn’t just keep his trap shut.

    I think there are two different lists people are talking about. One of them definitely exists, and the other one may or may not exist.

    There is no doubt that law enforcement has created a list of Epstein’s clients. It was even the subject of a judge’s order. There are probably many such lists of people who have definitely given Epstein money, for example.

    The question is whether there was some sort of list that Epstein kept himself, which probably would only be useful for blackmail purposes. If there is no blackmail intended, then Epstein probably would have intentionally avoided making such a list, which would also incriminate himself and could possibly get him killed. The existence of this list was originally asserted by right wing conspiracy theorists during Biden’s presidency. It seems the only person who has confirmed this list exists is Pam Bondi, who is completely incompetent, but lies frequently in order to cover for her incompetence.

    This list may or may not exist. But I think if you assert at this point that it doesn’t exist, it only makes you look like a pedophile. It seems the height of stupidity to say that it doesn’t exist if you don’t have a horse in the race.

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      Epstein probably would have intentionally avoided making such a list, which would also incriminate himself and could possibly get him killed

      Exactly. If such a list existed he would surely not survive long in jai … oh

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      The existence of this list was originally asserted by right wing conspiracy theorists during Biden’s presidency. It seems the only person who has confirmed this list exists is Pam Bondi, who is completely incompetent, but lies frequently in order to cover for her incompetence.

      If you put it that way then it does sound dubious as hell that that particular list exists

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      streisand effect, hes trying to get this front and center so it would be a much softer landing later. time will tell if starts pedelling right wing talking point as a defense mechanism.

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    Tucker said it out already. They did not leave you to connect the dots; They literally left you with a complete line with only one missing dot to connect. Even the dumbest MAGAts could see through it.

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      You know, I’m really glad that Tucker seems slightly less batshit insane after leaving Faux, and I hope he continues in that vein. It doesn’t hurt to have a former Trump ball-licker publicly oppose him, but can we please not forget that Sucker is partially to blame for Trump being in office in the first place. He will say whatever he thinks will get him the most ratings, just like he always has.

      Let’s not start quoting him as some sort of trustworthy or reliable source.

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        Fame and fortune do not automatically grant a person good judgment. In fact, one could effectively argue that obtaining the former two frequently and demonstrably decreases whatever amount of the latter one may have had.

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      Or he’s mocking the administration for insisting they had a list and suddenly heel turning on it. Given who he is, one of those is a bit more likely, don’t you think?

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        King, an individual of wealth and status with known pedophilic tendencies (just take that scene from IT for example but there are plenty more throughout his works) and history of drug abuse, being involved with Epstein, the high profile individual who is now known for trafficking underage girls and party drugs to individuals of wealth and status, is not a far stretch to make.

        Also, the way his tweet is phrased does not come off in any way as mocking the administration but instead feels to be mocking those who believe there exists documentation that exposes a list of individuals.

        It could just be poor phrasing but, because of that, it is hella suspicious and given the extra context mentioned above makes it that much more.

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          Having written supremely fucked up content doesn’t mean he has “known pedophilic tendencies”. People have made assumptions about authors who wrote all forms of horror or produced other media because they are repulsed by the content of the media. As an example, Rob Zombie has made films about mass murder, rape, incest, and the guy is a friendly vegan.

          Without knowing his intent, I think this is an example of poor phrasing. If anything that’s supported by his later tweet:

          Did Epstein traffic young girl(sic)? Yes, of course. Is there a client list? Doubtful. Conspiracy fodder.

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          there are plenty more throughout his works

          I’m not saying that isn’t true, but there was a time when I was ‘caught up’ on Stephen King novels for the most part, and I don’t remember anything like that. The only ones I had skipped was “The Shining”, “IT”, and “Christine”. I tried reading of them at one point and couldn’t get into them. I stopped reading him I think it was around the time he started writing about Cell phones. Maybe a little before. I don’t remember any pedophillic type stuff in any of his other novels. Could you tell me which books you are referencing?

          I’m going to feel like an idiot if I’ve somehow missed something like this.

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            From a post on the other site:

            @be_passersby

            The most uncomfortable I’ve been reading one of King’s books is in Bag of Bones with Mike Noonan’s obvious sexual attraction to a three year old.

            I wouldn’t call it an opinion… here, I’ll give you some quotes, you can make up your own mind:

            Upon his first meeting her: “I felt like Chester the Molester the second I had my arm locked under her bottom. I was very aware that anyone could look out and see me. This is one of the strange midlife realities of my generation: we can’t touch a child who isn’t our own without fearing others will see something lecherous in our touching … or without thinking, way down deep in the sewers of our psyches, that there probably IS something lecherous in it.”

            His very next thought is this: “She was bright-eyed, smiling. I figured that she’d probably be pregnant by the time she was twelve, especially given the cool way she was wearing her baseball cap.”

            He describes her as “comely”, “pretty”, “the bathing beauty”, and “Miss Bosox of 1998”. When she talks, he narrates that it “sounded exotic - the Vietnamese word for ‘ecstasy’, perhaps.”

            He thinks to himself, “I was glad I was too old to be one of her future boyfriends”, then imagines her getting pregnant before high school. Then he thinks maybe he’s gone too far there: “She’s three years old and you’ve already got her with three kids of her own, two with ringworm and one retarded.”

            When he meets the three year old’s mother, his initial thought is that she “looked all of twelve, fourteen at the outside.” (That’s the second mention of a twelve year old mother, by the way.) We find out later in one of his dreams where he’s raping her that he thought she looked so young mainly because her breasts were “tiny like teacups”. Toward the end of the dream he murders the three year old, then wakes up ejaculating into the lake!?

            Of course by the end of the story, this young single mother is literally pleading for him to bone her (pun intended), and when he does, how does he describe the feel of her skin? “Her skin was warm, and silky as her daughter’s.”

            So, how many times did you throw up reading that?

            Yeah, a few.

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              Gross, yeah that’s fucked up.

              I didn’t remember anything about that book other than it was a ghost story and thinking it wasn’t good. It actually wasn’t too long after that when I stopped reading him. When he wrote the second book about a scary car I figured he had said all he was going to say. I guess that was before the one about scary cell phones.

              It sucks. People suck. I’m glad I stopped reading his books over a quarter century ago.

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            Go read threads deeper down this post, it is filled with examples.

            King’s pedophilic tendencies show in his unnecessarily sexualized descriptions of teenage characters. I specifically say unnecessary as sexualized language is just part and parcel of depicting scenes of sexual abuse and violence, and many of his works are touch on these topics. Most of it, though, is just “creepy and unnecessary”, like his infatuation with detailed descriptions of their breasts, or just a sentence or two that is kinda cringe but can readily be passed over quickly.

            Like in Carrie he writes at length on how smooth and attractive her legs are. In Under the Dome there is a paragraph that goes into unnecessary detail about a teenager girl’s pubic hair. In his short story, The Jaunt, where a father is thinking about his children growing up at home without him; the boy is thought about as simply “going through puberty” whereas the thoughts about his daughter are about how she should be starting to develop breasts.

            Another comment mentioned another short story where a daughter, now grown, dwells on her dad cumming with her in his lap during an eclipse when she was like 9, but they don’t mention the name of the story.

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          For sure, but he doesn’t exactly have to care if people read their own meaning into it instead of what he originally intended. I think it’s telling where people’s biases are if they assume he’s a pedophile for a tweet like this. It’s way more important to go after the real ones than the people who fail one person’s personal purity test.

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            Well, it’s not like I’m hiring a PI or anything. The only difference is whether or not I’ll read his books. And since I believe strongly in the death of the author, and also in public libraries, he’s not making any money off me either way.

            I just think his post and the way he said it puts him in a very bad light. As an author, he should be better able to convey his tone.

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    Interesting, the mystery expands…I can’t wait for all the people who are associated with that list to be catching well-earned strays from the fallout.

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      You know nothing will come of it. Though they should all end up ruined and in prison, the same will happen as what happens with all “celebrities” at a statistical level. Nothing. Sure Weinstein is in prison. Diddy is not. etc… This won’t be another metoo movement.

      Though I fucking wish it would.

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        I am speaking from a hopeful place…Given the current political environment, if nobody sustains this energy…It will fizzle out and die, unlike the MeToo movement that kept its momentum for quite a while. There are going to be people that are sacrificed to mollify the masses, while others might skate free. Diddy is going to be sentenced from what I could find in October of this year, but he is also still imprisoned because of him being a flight risk.

        I hope that this Epstein File thing could blow up into something that a stinky, deranged man can’t silence, no matter how much smoke he blows up the arse of his cultists and society.

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          the metoo lasted long enough to affect movies and shows, of how they portray women for detriment of the shows/movies though. its also unique in that a whole class of people(women0 were affected for generations.

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      also people associated with diddy who himself is associated with epstein. miley kunis/asthon kutcher(we know through masterson) and Ellen degeneres fleeing to the UK after diddys indictment.

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    Also:

    This also reminded me that in his short story “The Jaunt” Stephen King felt the need to include the following lines for no apparent reason:

    Ricky and Pat were watching him seriously, his son twelve, his daughter nine. He told himself again that Ricky would be deep in the swamp of puberty and his daughter would likely be developing breast by the time they got back to earth, and again found it difficult to believe.

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      And the graphic description of a child being raped in “The Library Policeman”

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      This.

      Everyone knows the scene from IT and how disgusting it is but many do not understand that King has a long history of pedophilic tendencies when writing teenage girls in almost all of his works.

      In Carrie he has a section that takes an odd focus on how nice her legs look, in Under the Dome there is a lengthy description of an pubescent girl’s pubic hair, etc…

      Like, I get he is a horror writer and that means depicting scenes that are intentionally written to be uncomfortable is part of the genre, which includes scenes of sexual violence and abuse, but there are ways to accomplish these depictions without the unnecessary sexualization of underage girls.

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    The guy did write about a bunch of children running a train on another child to “recharge their matches” in the book ‘it’ acting like it was a liberating experiance.

    Guy also described a girl pissing and shitting herself in “the girl who lived tom gordon” in detail which weirded me out even as a kid

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      At the time I read The Girl I thought that part was a bold move. Drinking random creek water will totally do that to you and I liked that he didn’t pull his punches just because the character was a girl.

      Then I read his other works. I’m pretty sure he’s into kids. There’s a small benefit of the doubt that it’s his version of a dead baby joke and he does it just to fuck with readers, but I’m too jaded to expect he’s not dicking children himself.

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    Sounds a lot like Stephen King is very likely to be a pedophile that has raped children on Epstein’s island 🤔