Not me, but if you’ve been following the drama, they removed this post about the unique issues we face as “divisive.”
It fucking sucks. There’s been a lot of discussion in other trans masc spaces about “transandrophobia” and this seems to absolutely demonstrate it. We aren’t treated seriously in spaces that should be welcoming for us.
People assume “trans” means trans woman. Spaces for trans people are often for trans women. Jamison Green wrote a while back about us not really having our own community, decades ago, and it still feels true today.
Reddit and discord are fundamentally unsafe places for trans people, any queer communities there are intentionally or unintentionally helping prevent people from moving to more safe platforms.
to answer to anyone asking why discord, any community that doesn’t have a focus on queer topics, statistically is not great for trans folk. Many big communities are, yes, but you also have to remember discord has a LOT of servers.
I know tons of trans people on discord. What makes it unsafe for them?
I think there’s a disconnect between people who use discord as an IM client and people who use discord as a way to find communities. Ive been using discord since like the friends and family alpha, and I’ve never once joined a server that was larger than “4-12 people I know irl who hate group texts.” The way I understand and think about discord is drastically different from somebody who uses it more like a decentralized forum full of hobby or creator driven communities. I’d guess that the latter half is what is being referred to as dangerous for trans folk, but again I cannot confirm as discord is functionally equivalent to like MSN messenger for me
I’m part of some pretty large discord communities and I wouldn’t describe any of them as hostile to trans people. However, I am not trans, so I was curious if there was some insight I was missing out on.
Discord has been really useful to find and talk to other trans people
I wouldn’t personally call the whole platform unsafe. A lot of big servers, yeah not gonna be too great.
why Discord? isn’t it moderated mostly by the people who start the communities like Lemmy? (genuinely asking because I don’t know)
The problem is Discord servers have become too large and too public, that leads to a lot of trolls and bad actors.
Not all discords servers are large and not all of them allow bad actors to exist
I heard of people attacking the suggestion of switching to Matrix claiming they “want to remain accessible”. When the clients Cinny and Fluffy Chat blow Discord out of the water.
To be fair Matrix does lack a lot of features still. Video and voice calls are a mess, there’s not the equivelent of voice channels afawk.
For those of us who are plural, there’s no plural kit alternative (at least not widely avaliable), the moderation tools and permissions systems are a joke (we should know we used to moderate a whole server and several spaces). The search is really bad or non existent in several clients.
A lot of this is because those behind matrix are more concerned with corporations and their needs than the common user, and keep making really ridiculous and assinine decisions; like keeping matrix.org as open signups until it becomes too big to moderate and they have to start charging people for the privelege of decent performance, instead of what they should have done a long time ago and shutting their doors so as to encourage federation.
Matrix is actually not at all well thought through or accessible, we have never and will never use discord, but we can’t deny they have a point.
there is the possibility to use mumble for voice chat and jitsi meet for video, while using matrix for text and basic calls.
But yeah I agree with you overall its really unintuitive.
Wild. The reddit trans community has always had problems but this is absolutely ridiculous. Removing a post about erasure of transmasc issues is a frankly incredible level of callous detachment. The queer community has always denigrated and mistreated the transmasculine community. It’s at least somewhat heartening to see some outrage in the comments. But the moderation team should be thrown out over this. Bigotry and erasure have no place in queer communities.
Yeah most trans subs are fucking abysmal every time there’s a new round of intracommunity discourse. It really shouldn’t be this hard to accept that different marginalised identities are affected in unique ways by various power structures in society and within communities, but no, it invariably turns into this shit-slinging contest between subsets of the community. I know a lot of people just genuinely hold these sort of attitudes, but I do wonder how much of it rises to the forefront of the discussion due to shit-stirring from bad actors outside of the community.
Can someone explain why this was removed? What was the drama? I am out of the loop, it seems…
The extremely short version is that a trans man made a post on the trans subreddit, saying that trans men’s issues are overlooked and under seen.
One or more moderators removed the post, claiming it was “divisive”.
The sub basically blew up, as there was nothing divisive in the original post. Drama has ensued. I don’t know that it’s been resolved .
Hmm, who from who gonna be divided from that post? Cis and trans people? Because it is interpreted as actively searching issues with cis people to infuriate trans people over cis people? Like mods think boy is ok, and trans men complaining over being called a boy are overreacting? Because it is the correct gender?
I guess a man that is called a “boy” from others has different meanings in different cultures 🤔
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Just for clarity, “asshole” is still gender-neutral, right?
(Almost) Everyone has one, and anyone can definitely be one.
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Yeah, you can even get ranks in it. Like Major Asshole.
Or General Asshole.
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Dude, fuck ALL reddit. That place is worse than Twitter, now.
I was ban on reddit from r/bicycling for posting about brand reliability and quality scopes when I was a buyer for a chain of bike shops for years. The mod was a deeply narcissistic cop IRL. Moderation has a tendency to attract narcissists and that is the key underlying issue. If admin fail to remove the narcissistic fools, it causes a lot of real world harm. As a mod myself, I am a janitor. I do not matter. I do not micromanage. The community flags are my primary means of action. When a flag is made, I sort through it and give the benefit of the doubt in all possible cases. You have a right to a bad day and to be wrong, but if someone makes some HRT comment negatively, I will absolutely crush that bug. A good mod is invisible and serves the community without egotism. That is not the case on reddit in many communities and there are no effective measures taken to remedy the problem. It hurts a lot of good people.
Trans sister here. This is awful. I absolutely stand behind my trans brothers and things like this bring us ALL down.
P.S. I didn’t find anything in the community details. If you’d rather not have me in here (the line about needing a transmasc community of your own is not lost on me) I’ll delete my replies and be on my way, no hard feelings.
I mean, even if it’s a trans community, it is on reddit.
Trans men are men.
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All of Reddit is a fucking mess. Never look back
this sadly seems to be an age thing. LGBTQI+ was a taboo topic for centuries before the 2000s, it has become better but many older people can not comprehend that what they were taught all their life, to suddenly accept. I can observe this here in Germany, especially eastern Germany, most people over the age of 50 will not accept you, if you are different to their perceived norm
most people over the age of 50 will not accept you, if you are different to their perceived norm
Yes, people take over the norms they learned from their social environment when they were young and most stop adapting them to social progress that happened when they are older.
Since the GDR heavily imposed the traditional family to push birth rates (e.g. you basically had to get married to get a flat), even homosexuality is a strange and foreign concept to many people who grew up in this environment of enforced cultural conformism.
It will be interesting to see how this changes when newer generations get old, since society is much more pluralist nowadays.
Is there an initiative to spread the information of this space to ftms on reddit? No, they should not feel pushed out of a supposed trans space on reddit, but if there is transphobia from the mod team, knowledge of this space would be beneficial.
R/ftm might be a good place to post. I’ve been banned so many times that any new account gets auto shadowbanned.
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