• Buffalox@lemmy.world
      454·
      21 days ago

      Or you can just opt out if you don’t think Mozilla should have this data which is strictly about the browser and whether it’s the default browser, and which in no way compromises any personal info.

      Just because something uses telemetry doesn’t mean it’s used in a way that compromises your personal data.
      Google, Microsoft, Facebook and many others do that, Mozilla/Firefox does not.

      • calcopiritus@lemmy.world
        43·
        21 days ago

        You probably missed the news. But Firefox is becoming a data seller too.

        Recently they updated their policies, since they are on GitHub you can see the exact changes.

        One of them was the elimination of a phrase like “we won’t sell your data, and that’s a promise”. So promise broken I guess.

        • Buffalox@lemmy.world
          4·
          21 days ago

          You probably missed the news.

          No I did not, but did you ever stop to wonder why there is so much anti Firefox propaganda, as Google is trying to prevent ad-blockers?

          Manage technical and interaction data collection settings in Firefox:
          https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-data

          What is technical and interaction data?:
          https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/technical-and-interaction-data#w_what-is-technical-and-interaction-data

          information about how Firefox functions on your device and how you use its features. This includes performance details like page load times, and memory usage, as well as insights into which Firefox features you interact with, such as bookmarks, tabs or settings. Additionally, it collects general device information, including your operating system, browser version and hardware specifications. Mozilla uses this data to enhance Firefox while respecting your privacy.

          There is zero, zip, zilch, nada personalo info collected.
          So please point out to me which of these it is that worries you?
          Also please point out which of these it is you think Mozilla would be able to sell?

          Firefox is becoming a data seller too.

          I think that technically that is libel!

          • calcopiritus@lemmy.world
            21·
            21 days ago

            It is not propaganda as it is factual information. If you believe this is 4D chess from Google to manipulate us to dislike Firefox you are out of your mind. https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b61939b7f4310eb80c5470e this is an actual commit made by mozilla. It was not made by Google.

            Changes include:

            • Removing “we don’t sell access to your data”. Curiously this change is only for the TOU. Presumable because that is legally binding. Idk where the “else” branch is displayed though.
            • Removing this question from FAQ: “Does Firefox sell your personal data? Nope. Never has, never will (…). That’s a promise”
            • Remove another mention in the TOU “and we don’t sell your personal data”. That again was not removed from the “else” branch

            That to me indicates one of the following:

            • They have started selling data.
            • They plan on selling data in the near future.
            • They don’t feel confident that they can keep that promise forever. That is, they see a future where they sell data.

            I don’t like either of those alternatives.

            I don’t know if they are able to sell the data you mentioned. Because I’m not in the enshittification minds of giant American corporations. 20 years ago people would laugh at the idea of buying data about the screen size of a user. But now they do, and use it for fingerprinting. If recent history has shown anything is that most data has some kind of value. And giant corporations will find their way to use that data against users.

            I’ve seen way too many companies that were supposed to be the cool kids and were doing everything morally enshittify. There’s no reason to believe Mozilla is going to be different. They’re showing the same signs.

            • Buffalox@lemmy.world
              3·
              20 days ago

              I never claimed they didn’t remove those lines.
              But your screen size is NOT personal info.

              Also this line was in my previous post:

              Mozilla uses this data to enhance Firefox while respecting your privacy.

              So how do you imagine selling personal data is respecting privacy?
              Again what you are doing could be libel, you have zero evidence to back up your claim, it’s pure speculation.

    • lime!@feddit.nuEnglish
      363·
      21 days ago

      by the way some people talk here you’d think “telemetry” was a synonym to “satanism”.

      telemetry is not automatically evil.

      • Jean-luc Peak-hard@piefed.socialEnglish
        51·
        21 days ago

        They do, but just like anything dealing with security or privacy, there are degrees of inconvenience and “breaking” that are not suited for every situation.

        Firefox is a good default, but if you want more privacy, LibreWolf is an option. LibreWolf configures more settings by default to protect your privacy— but these come at a cost. The cost being that more websites are likely to break and/or need “fixing”. Look at the list of features that LibreWolf may break here [0]. This is not a browser for your general family or someone who just wants things to “work”.

        Interestingly, LibreWolf disable Google Safe Browsing, which they actually recommend you enable as Firefox has implemented it in a privacy preserving way. The devs disable it by default in LibrewWolf for a semi-technical reason [1]. Without Google Safe Browsing you will not get warned about dangerous sites known for phishing, malware, or unwanted software. Technically inclined people may not want this, but I would never disable this feature for friends/family as that would put them at risk.

        Lastly, if your friends/family ran into website that doesn’t work, they will not be troubleshooting the problem or trying to find a workaround. They will uninstall the browser and go running back to Chrome- this is the fine line that Firefox needs to navigate to ensure they protect user privacy, but don’t inconvenience those who don’t have the technical chops or patience.

        [0] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#what-are-the-most-common-downsides-of-rfp-resist-fingerprinting

        [1] https://librewolf.net/docs/faq/#why-do-you-disable-google-safe-browsing

  • glitchdx@lemmy.worldEnglish
    96·
    20 days ago

    …

    I miss the days when it was normal to just shut down the pc when you were done with it. Leaving things on all of the time isn’t healthy.

    • stoy@lemmy.zip
      2·
      20 days ago

      I leave my work machine on constantly, but am very careful and shut down my home machine when I go to bed.

      It just feels wrong to leave it powered up.

    • Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de
      5·
      20 days ago

      When I finish what I want to do on my PC, I type “yay” enjoy text and pacmans going left to right, press enter some times, and type sudo pw some times.
      After that I reboot to check, that I am not stuck in TTY and turn off after

    • Aimeeloulm@feddit.uk
      5·
      20 days ago

      I always turn computer off when done, it never sleeps or hibernates, no need since I’m either using it or not, through been leaving it on 24/7 at moment due to wiping some hard drives which takes time, so it’s working which is fine 😬

    • thermal_shock@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      19 days ago

      Fully disagree. Just leave it on, restart it once every 7-10 days if you’re using windows. Linux, reboot when it asks, could be months.

  • ozymandias117@lemmy.worldEnglish
    441·
    21 days ago

    Getting rid of that forced restart will at least help me personally stay more secure and get bug fixes faster

    • interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml
      11·
      21 days ago

      I can tell, almost double the tabs and still no system crash ! I think it’s just discard tabs more aggressively but still, that’s better than crashing

    • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
      14·
      21 days ago

      My experience with childhood computers conditioned me to close everything instantly when I’m done with it even if it means I might have to reload the page later.

  • bitjunkie@lemmy.world
    421·
    20 days ago

    Why would you use an image of that gross motherfucker to represent something good happening

      • saltesc@lemmy.world
        13·
        20 days ago

        Because it’s like the US. Well-known, but when stacked up against other browsers, not really good at anything, pretty shit at a lot of things, and certainly more old in the way it goes about doing it all. Then there’s Mozilla’s behaviour which is like a drunken parent at times.

        But in many people’s minds there is only Chrome and Firefox, and they see all the cool kids hate Chrome, therefore Firefox is the best.

  • Sidhean@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    41·
    20 days ago

    to be fair, i thought asmongold and penguinz0 were the same person, and that cr1tikal was a seperate, equally shit-headed person. My poor brain-- so the “woo lets go baby” guy is a decent dude? and its the other guy that has a rat corpse alarm clock? or am i still confused?

      • dustyData@lemmy.world
        1·
        20 days ago

        The differences are astonishing Asmongold is pretty much a gaming and bad takes second hand streamer. Whose only identity is kissing right wing politician’s ass, even when they actively hate and attack him.

        Then Charlie is there with movie and music credits, anime and comics productions, podcasts, business ventures, and also streaming. With every single of his political takes and controversies being morally and ethically sound and consistent.

        They are like Superman and bizarro, mirror images of each other, similar but opposites at the same time.

        Oh, and asswithmold face is the most punchable face on the internet (second only to PirateSoftware’s) while Charlie’s is sculpted by the gods themselves.

  • v01dworks@lemmy.world
    42·
    20 days ago

    lol I was so confused by Firefox not needing to restart that I tried running update again and then closed it myself because I thought something went wrong

  • henfredemars@infosec.pubEnglish
    31·
    21 days ago

    How was memory use actually reduced? I read several articles on this, but I didn’t see anyone talking about how they achieved this.

    • halcyoncmdr@lemmy.worldEnglish
      382·
      21 days ago

      Just restarting Firefox, not the entire system.

      Which doesn’t really matter for 99.99% of users that are sane and only use a couple windows and tabs at a time. Saving things they aren’t actively using anymore as bookmarks and using the browsing history for anything they closed previously but need again.

      For the 0.01% of insane but vocal users that never close tabs and/or keep dozens of windows open, that’s a big deal.