If only there were a device to keep you in your seat when something like this happens
Finally, the freedom to have sick plane crashes thanks to deregulation 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅💥💥💥
Well it cost money and held yous back.
/s …Justin Case.
Just to put this into perspective, here’s a visualization of the flight data. The two aircraft were never on a collision course. They slightly violated a 5-mile separation requirement: their closest point of approach was 4.85 miles. The pilot did need to respond to the TCAS alert, but that alert was very conservative.
These conservative warnings exist for a reason, though. That being hundreds of lives at stake. What I think would be more interesting is to hear how often these types of events occurred before and after the layoffs at the FAA
Agreed. The point of a conservative warning is to give plenty of time and opportunity to react without bouncing your passengers off the ceiling.
Fault for the loss of separation seems to be on the controllers. Not all separation incidents are the same, though. This one seems to be rather minor. By my estimation, the encroachment was a maximum of 264 yards, and the duration of that encroachment (without pilot or controller intervention) would have been less than 10 seconds. Too tight, yes. It needs addressed so it doesn’t become a habitual violation that could lead to more severe encroachment by these controllers. But there was no real danger of bodily harm from this encroachment.
Fault for an overly aggressive maneuver is on the pilot. There was a risk of injury from that overly aggressive response. The pilot’s actions elevated a minor, no-risk event to one that risked serious injury to the passengers and crew. But, he was following instructions from a device designed to improve aviation safety, and the nature of the warnings from that device, an over-response is much safer than an under-response. He has to trust his instruments, and his instruments (erroneously) told him to push the nose down, quickly, lest he hit another plane.
TCAS is designed and intended to reduce risk and prevent harm. In this specific incident, though, it seems like the TCAS-RA actually increased the risk of harm, by calling for an immediate action that wasn’t actually necessary to prevent harm. Is there a way to improve TCAS?
I, too, would like to know how often TCAS incidents were recorded before and after the layoffs. Those layoffs definitely harmed aviation safety. But if someone were injured in this incident, I don’t think I could point the finger at the controllers or lack thereof. This particular incident seems to suggest a shortcoming in the TCAS system.
Very thoughtful and informed reply. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
And the same thing happened in Minot, North Dakota not even a week ago.
Relevant news story about air traffic control.
I was hoping it’s this and it was!
Jimmy Dore is not a reliable source.
Put your fking seatbelts on. All the time.
reminds me to catch up on https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/
Sitting in an airport right now. Great.
Can I have your computer if you die?
I won’t be using them, ha.
Well? Does u/Agent641 get the computer?
I made it through. Maybe next time.
Visualization from flight data: https://youtu.be/VTAUMP2le3c
TCAS is working overtime to make up for the years of neglecting the FAA.
This ain’t no shitpost.
You’re right, but I don’t think The Internet cares.
You have to admit it’d be pretty shitty to run into another airplane in the sky though?
This is very dangerous. Time to remove regulations for collision warning systems on airplanes, so dangerous maneuvers like this don’t happen in the future
Tap for spoiler
/s
Yeah, just let the pilots fly Tony Hawk freestyle. Time to get creative!
Time a different kind of fireworks.
The kind that only happens near airports. Hopefully, some of the billionaires who wanted this shit will be part of the fireworks
Damn
We almost got rid of Jimmy dore
…should we hire more tower administators, and look into the epstein files?..
Nah, let’s cut them and burn the evidence!
Well hold up. I wasn’t on that plane so actually yeah you’re right.
See!
Empathy hard
We’re empathizing (with each other and no others) so hard.
Im starting to think that the people I consider to be “the others” are getting what they deserve. That makes me hard
Its pretry great! I just imagined a composite of negative stereotypes kind of person to hate and that the plane with all the bumped heads was going to a convention for those people. I’ve talked to my congressman about it, and he says if he can get through while it’s still in American airspace, it will be shot down!
Remind us who cut funding to FAA?
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This is Joe Biden s fault. I don’t mean he cut funding or anything like that, I mean he was literally flying the other plane. It was full of woke trans immigrants headed to Texas so Democrats can get more votes while simultaneously rigging the election.
Your response here is an excellent example of shitposting. You are the new moderator. Keep up the shitty work.
Obama was copilot? Smoking crack in the back in his tan suit? With Dijon mustard?
Smoking the mustard and putting crack on the hotdog.
hotdog
why you gotta bring hulk hogan’s skin into this?
hulk hogan was the real copilot all along.
I thought Hulk Hogan’s legendary pre-match routine was hot dogs in the crack, not the other way around?
Whatcha gonna do brother? WHATCHA GONNA DO WHEN THE COCAINE, GEAR, TANNING BEDS AND RACISM RUN WILD OVER YOU?!
Which time? In January or in Trump’s last term?
