I want a healthcare system that works for everyone. I want to not have to worry that I am going to die or go massively in debt because I get sick. I HAVE insurance and these are still the things that I worry about. Unfortunately the people who are in control are bought and paid for by healthcare lobbyists
Edit: check out Rep Mike Flood’s top donor industries
https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/mike-flood/summary?cid=N00050145
All the budgeting in the world did not save me from the massive bills to treat conditions I was born with. I live paycheck to paycheck because of it.
I had good insurance and worked in a very good career for decades, but my health issues and disability have wrecked me. I can’t afford food, I’ve chipped a tooth that hurts like hell but can’t afford a dentist, and I’ve been staving off homelessness by the skin of my teeth. I can’t afford anything now* and can no longer afford to live, even though I did everything ’right’.
People like this dickhead who think you can ‘just work harder’ are delusional.
Preaching to the choir here but my company just changed the insurance service they use for mental health counseling and it really drove home how beholden we are to our employers for healthcare.
Like tomorrow they could decide to switch to United Healthcare and there is literally nothing the thousands of employees can do about it. Healthcare shouldn’t be tied to employment.
And while I’m on my soapbox, the system is just bad for small businesses. If you can’t afford to provide it, good luck finding people who don’t need insurance. And if you can, good luck getting comparable coverage for the price when you’ve got under 10 employees
they only problem i have with uhc is that it’s so easy for a government to come in and deny access to marginalised groups (look at labour and what they’re doing with trans people and the nhs) so any uhc system needs to be build with safeguards in place that make it incredibly hard for future governments to come in and selectively ban services based on “moral” bullshit.
UHC meaning United HealthCare I believe, the company who’s CEO was killed by someone and is currently under investigation for fraud.
I believe that by UHC, they mean United Healthcare. A for profit company that is particularly bad at providing healthcare. Which is the reason why their CEO was murdered in the street last year.
OH! sorry! i misunderstood! i apologise!
Sadly my work did just switch to UHG for our healthcare
I switched jobs once because my company switched to Aetna. You think United is bad? Let me tell you, at least they covered my three $108k infusions for my new autoimmune meds. Aetna didn’t cover shit. And the meds I used to take would have cost me $460 a month for what was previously $60. And, they didn’t even cover the required regular bloodwork.
Sure, I hit my $5k OOP max with United last year. But they covered about half a million with no pushback. And the hospital let me split up the $2300 I owed for the infusions over 3 months. So, it wasn’t even that bad. That was a one time thing, as that was just the starter dose.
Not saying insurance isn’t a racket. Just that United hasn’t been an adversarial boogie man in my experience. Priority Health fought me on every refill. Man, I miss HAP’s 0 deductible Cadillac plan… I once had emergency surgery and spent a week in the hospital for free. Those were the days.
United had the standing record for denied claims until their CEO was murdered for denying claims. In the wake of that, they started paying out more, but have slowly shifted back to denying more and more.
It makes me kind of wonder if perhaps there is a positive bias towards me due to my race and age or something (which would be a nefariously awful thing I wouldnt put past acompany like that), but I would imagine my preexisting conditions would be a negative. I don’t know, I just know that I definitely considered myself very lucky after hearing about how shit they are.
I know they did, my experience was pre-ceo incident. My experience has been so good with them compared to the the other policies I’ve had in the last 7 or so years, I honestly had no idea about their reputation until the incident.
I realize my experience is likely an outlier. I was completely shocked when I found out about their reputation.
These assholes really go out of their way to be dicks don’t they? Health care for all means ALL
Surely poor health will help them become a productive little worker drone.
I think the idea is they will work or they will die. Note, this doesn’t apply to the obscenely wealthy.
screaming that society is immoral and that family values are going extinct, and laying down for a bunch of oligarchs, corpos and gangsters like the tech bro megalomaniacs , MAGA, and the Russian Mob State, all because you’re mildly annoyed about an internet video of a green haired bisexual girl or something, but you can’t voice your opinions on facebook anymore because no one will listen to you / you got banned, so you gotta make it your RL personality now
screaming that society is immoral and that family values are going extinct, and laying down for a bunch of oligarchs, corpos and gangsters like the tech bro megalomaniacs
if that is christian “heaven” then i’d rather go to hell
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His last name is flood? Like the bad thing that happened in New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina? What kind of idiot would vote for that?
lets not vote by last names of people.
i was thinking alien speces, like the dr who one or halo? the ones bent on conquering.
Show me all these 28 year olds who refuse to work. Because I see mostly 28 year olds who want to work but can’t find jobs, and a handful who wish they could work but are disabled.
This fucking out of touch hoser needs to spend a day in the real world.
Plus 28yo likely doesn’t cost much on healthcare anyway.
The whole question is a distraction
The point to these chucklefucks is their base is so outraged at the thought of anyone getting something for nothing that they’d rather have everyone else go without just to avoid the possibility.
It’s easy to get people angry when you convince them all their hard work meant less than they think, and even easier if they think someone else got something without having to work as hard.
We see this in all animals that understand fairness, and it’s the fastest way to turn monkeys against each other (visibly give away grapes unevenly if you want somebody’s face to get ripped off).
It’s also a very primal manipulation tactic that works quite well, so long as you can redirect the animosity.
I’ve always had to intellectualize significant jealousy or envy. I can understand it in a way, but I just don’t feel it. I mean, I get the “must be nice” part, but I’ve never understood how what someone else has or does reflects on me. I’m not lesser because they have more. It’s the same way with the gay rights stuff - how does what another person does impact me if it’s not directly impacting me?
I think I figured it out. These guys are thinking of themselves when they were younger. They mooched off mommy and daddy’s money after college until they were forced to get a job. They assume everyone’s life is like that.
or they come from WEALTH, and they were mooching of from parents even to this day, and became wealthy themselves.
This is also the secret to how guys like Bezos start a company from a garage; they mooched off their parents, so didn’t have to worry about how long it took to make any money.
Bezos took it a step further than most. Small loans of several hundred thousand dollars from his parents paired with actual fraud perpetrated against the major publishers.
I vaguely recall the fraud, but I forget the specifics. Please drop a link for more info if you have one! (Otherwise, yes, I am capable of searching the web myself.)
In Flood’s case, he had a show on his college’s radio so his parents bought him a station. He got more stations. Then he became a politician. He has never worked a day in his life.
Gotcha. Sounds relatively easy to verify, but eh, personally I’m inclined to believe you. And fits his entitled attitude for sure!
If you haven’t started a business in your garage, you just need to remarket yourself to yourself.
I once sold some old clothes on ebay and one of the items went to CanadaI am an international designer jeans exporter.I’m the biggest buyer of my own books (to give away).
Weird I’m not a millionaire yet. Perhaps I’m not marketing to myself effectively enough.
Are you charging enough?
Probably not, but I can’t afford to charge myself more.
Did you write The Art of the Deal?
Wanting a job for income and wanting to work are very different indeed but your point stands.
I have never, and I mean TRULY NEVER wanted to work.
But I am not stupid, so I know I NEED to work in order to live.
Not wanting to give the majority of my day to a company that makes more in one second than 10,000 minimum wage employees make in a month is not “being lazy”.
1/3 is already taken by sleeping, and you fucking want me to just give up another 1/3? For THIS shit pay? Entirely Fuck Off.
Plus it costs me money just to get to work.
Preach!
I used to be able to do math problems and get paid well to do them. It wasn’t ever “fun” or particularly rewarding but I could do it and not be completely exhausted or in pain at the end of the day.
Now my pay is cut and I’ve been doing brain-rot marketing for months thanks to trump’s cuts. My brain fog is so bad and motivation so low that the email that used to take me 30 seconds takes at least 20 minutes if not an hour these days. It’s just meaningless and I feel like I’m working at a telemarketing call center for a company that doesn’t sell anything. It’s even hard to apply for new jobs. I don’t know how the fuck I’m sober especially now of all times…
Just luvky I managed to get a couple promising interviews lined up, have some friends, and relatively low expenses.
‘Do something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life’.
I’ll bet there are things you love to do that would have value to others in society, even if you wouldn’t consider that a ‘job’ or ‘work’.
That’s kind of my point. If our society weren’t so broken, you could contribute without having to do what we currently consider ‘work’.
e : this sounded wrong, sorry. I meant if we could let go of capitalism, this is how things should work. We can’t have nice things, though.
‘Do something you love and you’ll never work a day in your life’.
It’s a nice sentiment, but sadly the moment you depend on it for survival, it becomes work.
In another comment just now, I mentioned my hobbies include making knives/swords, leather work, and some light carpentry.
I love all these things. I make a pretty neat and simple metal rose that I can do different things with for coloring, and those sell like hotcakes around valentines day. But every year, I only make a handful for a few people here and there, and almost always as gifts. I never make a bunch of them beforehand with intent to sell “to someone”, that’s work. That’s unenjoyable for me.
I could make bank in my area if I invested my savings into metalworkingnstuff stuff and focused on custom knives for hunting and camping, but the thought of that makes me want to kick my anvil and forge into the lake.
I suppose the response to that should be “well I just haven’t found the thing I truly love” yet, but I just don’t believe there is anything of value that I could provide to anyone that I would enjoy so much that it never feels like work and pays all my bills.
I long for the utopian future of post-scarcity…
Right, but you’re still assuming a capitalist society. Without that cutthroat marketplace and the need to compete, it wouldn’t necessarily be like that.
It’s really hard to imagine, I know – and especially because I get it, I have a very niche hobby (period corset making and couture tailoring) that I could potentially make a lot of money doing but when I tried, it sucked all the enjoyment out of it to the point I had to stop for a few years.
I’m talking about doing what you’re good at without the backdrop of a capitalist system that sucks you for every drop of blood you have.
I believe most people want to contribute, but our society isn’t set up to align individual interest and aptitude with need.
If we’re asking the majority of people to grind their own bones into dust doing something they hate for a pittance, that’s a large part of the problem. Some people love cleaning (like my sister), others love woodworking or cooking or streaming. But we’re forcing square pegs into round holes because we give no thought whatsoever to how people’s skills, aptitude, and interest might align with society’s needs, then we’re shocked pikachu when most are unhappy and thus unproductive.
Work in the context I meant was definitely the type that results from the current hierarchy resulting in the categorical failure you’re pointing out.
Contributing to someone you meet and relate face to face to feels good. Contributing to the concept of company or the “stakeholder” not so good.
Personally i like to do a little of everything but forced myself to learn a specialty to earn a livable wage.
In that case, I guess I agree with him that most people don’t want to ‘work’. Wanting to be a wage slave would be bonkers. Most people want to contribute meaningfully to society and don’t want to starve, but that’s not what ‘work’ means.
Right, it should just mean paid labor, but the people complaining about this would prefer it unpaid.
I’d prefer pay to be unnecessary and the labor voluntary. At least I think that’s a good ideal to work towards.
They don’t want 28 year olds to work.
They want 28 year olds to works for peanuts.
Idk how many employees Charles Schulz can support being dead for 25 years BUT I bet they really want these 28 year olds to pick the peanuts and other crops. But then they will say you can’t have free health care because you don’t make enough picking fields.
Don’t change the hypothetical.
He asked if a 28 yo who can work but refuses to should receive free health care.
I dunno about you but my answer is yes.
First: do no harm.
Second: make sure your patient is contributing to society in accordance with his ability.
Exactly. This is how the message gets watered down and ends up means tested garbage. I believe in universal healthcare that is free at the point of service.
I don’t think I changed the hypothetical. He seems to be complaining there are out-of-work 28 year olds who aren’t, I dunno, taking the backbreaking vacancies left by all the migrants they’re deporting for like $2/hour, plus that they want healthcare. Both are ignorant takes, but the ‘they don’t want these jobs’ thing stands out to me because we fucking told them nobody can hope to live on those wages, so bitching ‘kids these days’ don’t want these jobs is a massive facepalm.
Of course we should have universal healthcare.
e: and to be clear, none of these jobs will ever be filled by citizens, not because they’re ‘above it’ or whatever, but you can’t usually extort a citizen into ‘wages’ that low (read: make them a literal slave) by holding their visa hostage or threatening to have them deported back to the situation they fled from. And some of those situations are far, far worse than being dramatically underpaid.
I misspoke, really, because I shouldn’t have said change. I’m reality, you didn’t address the hypothetical at all.
My point was it doesn’t matter if these people exist or not. That’s the point of a hypothetical.
I see way too many 28 year olds who aren’t working at one job, they’re working two.
And they are still struggling to raise their kids.
This country’s rulers have asked its working class to try or accept every solution except the one that those rulers are paid to pretend doesn’t work; taxing the shit out of rich people.
most of the one im seeing are working, the ones arnt working are probably lazy conservatives.
never forget: those people sitting in that town hall are already a filtered group. They are not all voters. Society may or may not still agree with that Mike Flood.
A filtered group that is selected to be favorable toward the representative, not hostile to him.
If they can’t even get their filtered group to overwhelmingly support their positions, it seems unlikely that a general sampling of the population would.
Don’t stay home during elections! Go and vote out every single Republican. Simple as that. But when you have factions within the left that can’t agree with eachother, then we’ll just keep losing to the right. Get your shit together people!!!
… If there are elections.
“Do you think that people who are 28-years-old, that can work, & refuse to work, should get free [fill in social service]?”
- Fire department services
- Police protection
- Military protection
- Public street access
- Public park access
- Library access
- …
Sewage services
Water treatment services
Education
Innumerable benefits of scientific research
Broadcast Television
Radio
Anything available because of publicly-funded agriculture…so basically everything
…
Even if you’re selfish, free healthcare for all makes sense. A 28-year-old who doesn’t work can still be a disease vector, and if they don’t stay healthy now they will be an even bigger health burden later in life.
I think it’s less selfishness than a morality derived from:
- slave-owners, who had to force enslaved people to work
- puritanical christians who assumed human nature was naturally lazy and immoral
- zero-sum business owners who don’t want to see others “get ahead” in ways they hadn’t
- people who believe raising a family isn’t “real work”, just something you should do between jobs
Or maybe they can’t work due to autoimmune disease or chronic illness and maybe even could work if they had healthcare…
It’s not free. We all work to lift up the most vulnerable people in our society. I am very thankful to be an able bodied person that pays taxes. I’ll never look down upon anyone that needs to use public assistance.
I’m sick and fucking tired of Republicans talking about welfare queens.
This. And when we lift people up, it generally helps get people out of poverty and become contributing members of society.
It’s not a hand out, it’s a hand up. And for those that dgaf about helping their neighbors, it also is generally cheaper to help people once and get them squared away, vs being screwed up for life, committing crimes and using up tax dollars on police/justice/jail/cleanup resources.
In short, literally everyone should be on the same page. It’s the moral and economically right thing to do, lol.
It’s “free at time of service” which is an important distinction. Everyone in a community contributes in some way to fire services. The fire brigade doesn’t ask for payment before they arrive at the scene.
Health should not be tied to employment. You shouldn’t be afraid to take care of your health because you’re between jobs. I imagine that people who do visit doctors regularly have better health and as a result lower healthcare costs. If you have to worry about how you’re going to pay for it you’re less likely to go.
I pay a fair amount to cover my family and pay a fair bit more in taxes if it meant that I didn’t have to worry about my employment to get coverage or knew that my child would be covered in the future.
Exactly. I tell people all the time I am happy to pay taxes and heck I’d even pay more in taxes, but what I want is for everybody to pay their fair share.
I don’t even know how it’s become so radical these days. We’ve got governments around the world being elected and saying governments can’t be trusted so let’s give it all to corporations.
Meanwhile these assholes suck off the public teat and do nothing to give back to anyone except the donor class.
I think you maybe didn’t understand my point. It seems like you drank from the right wing talking points fire hose.
I think you’re misunderstanding. He’s saying Republican states that hate welfare are usually the welfare states that need the most funding and then the only money they want to give back, it’s to ultra millionaire conservatives who parrot the welfare Queen rhetoric.
I think you misread
You definitely misread. Re-read their comment in context to yours.
I think you missed this person’s point- he is calling the politicians (aka this idiot) the useless ones. They help no one and only take away from the vulnerable and make things worse for those they are supposed to help. The comment agreed with you
You’re correct. I took the comment the other way. My apologies.
You missed my point. This guy (and plenty of other Republican assholes like him) is saying that only “productive” members of society deserve to live a healthy life while producing nothing but misery for most of the people they were elected to represent and are supposed to be helping. They are the true “welfare queens.” They live off of taxpayer money and contribute nothing to taxpayers.
“Our society must make it right and possible for old people not to fear the young or be deserted by them, for the test of a civilization is the way that it cares for its helpless members.”
- Pearl Buck, The Good Earth
They shouldn’t get free video game consoles, or candy, or sex or anything.
But everyone deserves healthcare. GFC.
healthcare facilities should have those things in the waiting rooms imo
like the days of playing smash at the mall in the booth at the front of the dpmt store
“In the waiting room we have Smash, some low sugar candy called Smash, and smash.”
