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What has the setting of nVidia or visiting the Wikipedia to do with child protection? Certainly old guys which confuse a remote control with an smartphone , don’t should be authorized to make internet laws.
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You are right. I forgot, that there actually is a GUI panel for NVIDIA. It’s pretty simplistic, but still that makes my previous claim false.
nvidia drivers in linux can be a monumental mess
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How does that even work, is there just no video output when you boot in to Linux?
That certainly was the case for a long time. I’ve haven’t had any issues for 5+ years. Devs made it a priority.
Linux beginners and Nvidia cards aren’t really a good mix in all fairness
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Very good point, always forget Nobara exists but it seems like the best “out of the box” solution if you really don’t want to do it yourself. That being said, to learn anything you need to understand how it works and it’s endlessly frustrating to me that Linux is the one where people just throw their hands up and give up instantly if anything goes wrong and they can’t fix it in the same way they did in a completely different platform.
Does the Linux build of GeForce experience not do this, because if it does then it’s still a problem
We don’t have geforce experience on Linux (afaik). Ubuntu has a built in “proprietary drivers” app that just pulls the Nvidia drivers for you on first boot after install. Very low effort (on the happy path at least. If you use unsupported/brand new cards, you’re probably going to have a much less fun time)
Nvidia is still closed source, even on Linux…
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Makes sense, because with the nvidia graphics card you could generate AI porn.
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Why would you?? Commodore 64 unzipping still makes my day 😤
(and if anyone can find an article or screen grab of the following… Let me know, I can’t find any references :()
I remember a game / joke where you would rub the Commodore 64 gameport with a wet finger, and the faster you went, the nicer the on-screen lady became… ;-)
a pen can generate porn
Question: how good do you have to be at drawing to have a successful wank to your own art?
This is a lovely sheet of paper…
You can do that with a CPU, it’s just slower.
Intel! You know what to do!
Nvcleanstall
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gen z is pushing 30 btw
feels so grimm
For the curious 1997-2012 28-13
This happens all the time. I still see what I call boomers (likely younger than actual boomers) call gen z millennials constantly. The oldest millennials are like mid 40s but in the popular imagination we are still kids in our 20s. It’s like society is 10-15 years behind almost
You again???! 😡😤👊🖕🖕🖕
Nuh uh uh!
It’s in the name… can’t access graphic content without ID, can we? /s
On a more serious note, what about AMD graphics cards?
Is this a joke?
This timeline? Yes
Do you see anyone laughing? Well? Do you?? 🧐
🥺
I’m laughing constantly because I’m losing my mind! Haha!
You mean the censorship law was woefully ill-conceived and won’t do anything they claim it is supposed to do? Leay it’s definitely a joke, just not the type you’re asking about.
Tried to use gpt5 via the api the other day and they wanted me to scan my passport. 🫠
The UK? Yes
UKKK.
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19 year-old reporting: YES, this has been true FOREVER.
Do you have a few minutes to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Linus Torvalds?
You don’t need Linux, you just need to get the driver from Nvidia’s website.
If they can’t figure this out, they really don’t belong on Linux.
You’d have the same issue with this on Linux, no? It isn’t OS-specific.
EDIT: I meant in general. Software on Linux is also subject to the UKs temper tantrum laws, same as on Windows. The Nvidia driver is just an example, you can also just download the driver on Windows without needing their companion app.
The official proprietary Nvidia drivers are just a regular Linux package I’m 99% sure, I have it installed on my laptop and it doesn’t involve a gui app at all.
There is the Nvidia X Server Settings app but it’s pretty barebones
Not really it is full featured under X under Wayland some of the features are replaced by your desktops features exclusively
You dont even need an nvidia card to open the nvidia settings on linux
The key thing is Linux is free and open source, free as In eat shit and fucking die government fucking pigs.
aka: the only kind of freedom that matters. lol
No you would not because you don’t need to go to the website to download software to use Nvidia on Linux. Also the Nvidia driver on Linux is literally just a driver and settings package it has no online features
In Linux you can use the open source nvidia drivers if you want
You don’t want to, though. They’re horrible. There’s an insane amount of effort that would be required to reverse-engineer drivers since Nvidia is at best negligent. AMD and Intel are much better about OSS.
been plug and play for me using Nvidia + Linux for years now. Just upgraded to a 5070ti, literally was take out old, put in the new.
I’m not fully a penguin, but getting there. Saw the memes, experienced it first hand in one case and was plug and play in another. It’s luck of the draw.
It’s not luck it’s pretty well defined what works
There’s a learning curve, sure.
There was one for Windows too, but most people don’t remember the hundreds of hours of learning that they’ve done to become competent users of Windows.
Just jump in, don’t dual boot. Having no option of giving up and booting Windows makes you motivated to learn how to use Linux.
There’s a community of people who will help (while also sometimes being insufferable assholes) and the skills you learn will be more durable. You’re not going to see Linux 11 come along and mandate that you buy a new computer or anything.
Oh I’ve loved it so far. And you’re right on the “what you learn is more useful”. Like I’d done a fair amount of hobby/work prototype stuff on rasbian, and eventually went “man, it’d be great if this but more horsepower” and wound up Debian.
Anyway, my point is despite doing a fair amount of coding, and circuit level electronics including troubleshooting comms and all the fun things like race conditions that go into that, I had zero idea how a computer was actually arranged. Troubleshooting Debian helped me with that and is infinitely transferable as opposed to being a tip and trick with windows.
But my original comment was just about Nvidia cards. I’ve had some I just slot in and they work, and some I have to spend an afternoon troubleshooting. Still reinforces your point though, troubleshooting it the first time was how I learned how things actually get displayed.
NVK is very slowly getting there, from what I’ve read. if I remember correctly, it’s still gives horrible performance (about 50%-ish of the closed source ones, I think?), but it’s still miles better than “you’re really better off using your integrated GPU” that noveau offered for ages.
Fair enough. I wish them well in the effort. It would be nice if Nvidia threw them a bone, though, what with all the AI money and their GPUs being used in so many Linux supercomputers and servers.
There’s a project working on making CUDA work on all (read: AMD) graphics cards. It’s alpha-level, but the progress makes it look promising.
e: Tom’s Hardware links are half the size of the article 😂
I know. The best you can do in Linux is not use nvidia.
That is no longer the case. The Nvidia drivers for Linux are pretty decent, these days. They’re still closed source, so if that’s a deal breaker for you, you’ll need to buy an AMD GPU.
I’m not sure if the closed-source drivers have social media garbage on them at the moment, but I’m very sure that I don’t trust Nvidia not to add it.
This is quite frankly nonsense
The problem is not that they are bad, is that if someone makes a project that depends on the specific drivers then it will work much worse if the drivers are closed source. Wayland was unusable with nvidia drivers until recently.
they are at a point where it’s not even really limited by reverse engineering, but that only the nvidia-signed drivers can increase the gpu’s frequencies to anything near performant.
I’m not aware that the Nvidia drivers for Linux require an app registration. If that were the case, I’d definitely have heard about the uproar.
Never thought living in a second world country would have it’s benefits
Second-world means axis-power (Germany, Hungary, Australia, Italy, Finland, Japan, etc). It doesn’t mean something like “half-way between first-world and third-world” like Latin America or the USA.
Australia is an axis power! Salutschüsse.
Australia being a famous axis power
Second world doesn’t mean axis powers, it represented the Soviet Union and Soviet aligned countries.
Its a cold war term. The terms represent the two remaining superpowers after WW2.
1st world = The US and US aligned countries
2nd world = Soviet Union and Soviet aligned countries
3rd world = Non-aligned countries. Which just happened to be mostly under developed countries, which is why the term is now used for that. It didn’t actually mean under developed at first. For example, Switzerland is technically a 3rd world country despite being rich and highly developed.
Reminder that there is a petition for UK residents, now with 500 000 signatures: https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903
Reminder that they already responded
The Government has no plans to repeal the Online Safety Act, and is working closely with Ofcom to implement the Act as quickly and effectively as possible
Doesn’t stop us from continuing to push. Since they responded we got 300 000 more signatures.
Point is, this law was not created in service of the public. It’s just another surveillance measure. Much like Chat Control, which they’ve pushed over and over again, despite getting pushback from literally everyone around the world every time. You could have everyone in the EU sign that petition and it wouldn’t matter because it’s not for you.
Wouldn’t it be sick if y’all just responded on voting day?
Here’s the pitch: Do you want to prevent horrible nonsense shit from happening? Do you like money? Are you okay with people in general? Fucking vote.
Your voting chose have already been scientifically proven to be meaningless, democracy is fake.
The game has been rigged.
Voting exists to stop you changing things.
It makes you believed you solved the problem
when you’ve actually accomplished nothing yetThe voting is game is lost before it began
with psychometric micro demographic targetting
they can convert money into votes with simple manipulation
it’s just a matter of which money interest push more
on their preferred optionbut neither of the two choices is on your side
None of the choices in democracy are working for you
So main issue with this comment is the UK system allows for more than 2 choices.
Yes there are many choices, very similar degrees of ultimately the same thing. Same thing here in Canada.
Often it’s the business elite party and the “business elite but pretending to care about the people’s interest party” and that second one is also split so the straight up business elite party has a chance to win. Followed by series of do-nothing statistically insignificant, flavour-text parties just for the impression of diversity. It’s all a little circus to give you the idea the population is in control while being completely out of the equation. It only really serves to dissipate their frustration and make them believe they’ve already done everything they could so we don’t get guillotines in the streets.
Make no mistake Fukuyama is right, this IS the end of history, there will not be any democratically elected changes unless the powerful decide change is in their interest and will maintain or increase their power.
Nothing will change until the power is physically taken away from them and history restarts.
You do realise that Labour were voted in as the progressive alternative on a bunch of pretty progressive campaign pledges right? The Online Safety Act and treating peaceful protesters as terrorists certainly weren’t what people voted for.
I do not realize that, I’m not from there nor do I pay attention to their politics. This was more so a call to everyone everywhere to show up at whatever booth it may be and prevent shitty policies from being considered, let alone passed.
That said, I do appreciate the info, and moreso appreciate that you archived it and linked a paywall free version. That was thoughtful.
Yeah unfortunately one vote every 4 or 5 years is not enough granularity to weigh in on specific issues. Also, politicians lie about what they will do all the time.
Showing that a large amount of people are against an action, whether by petition or protest, is one of the tools we do have.
This particular piece of legislation has been in the works for two administrations of two different parties. We’re kind of sick of both of them so I think many people will likely vote for a 3rd party the next time around. Possibly the more progressive splinter group of our 'left" party.
I hope you’re right. But in my experience, every country ends up voting for 1 of the 2 largest parties because “that other party will not get even 5%” and the whole population ends up disregarding them. And this is by design.
Honestly, I pray that you’re right and the UK people actually tells the main parties to fuck right off.
Very true. I hope you guys do.
To translate it to American, it’s a similar two party system as yours, and the UK Dems are the ones doing this.
Guess you should be on the street protesting and banging down the doors of politicians then.
doesnt matter. they only understand money or force.
Ok but they should still attempt every avenue no?
A huge petition that undermines the government’s democratic mandate is never a bad thing, even if they responded.
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How would Gopher side step this?
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My best guess is through complete obscurity :)
The internet’s inability to fact check anything before re-sharing it? Yes, I agree.
Creed: “I don’t get it. Why does a driver manager need a social media feature?” Ryan: “A one stop shop consumer experience. You’re chatting with your friends, you’re talking about the latest music, about the election; all of it is happening in our virtual driver manager” Philus: “Did the police sort the issue?” Ryan: “Yes”
