A video recorded last week has ignited outrage online after it captured ICE agents violently arresting two brothers in South Norwalk, Connecticut, in broad daylight without producing a warrant. The men, identified as Ricardo Chavez and his brother, reportedly hold legal status to live and work in the United States.
The footage (credit @alwaysfilmthepolice) shows plainclothes ICE agents forcibly detaining the men in a public area. Witnesses say the agents refused to provide identification or present a warrant when asked, instead resorting to physical force and a taser to subdue the brothers before hauling them away. They also allegedly damaged their vehicle.
Community members who know the Chavez family insist that both men are law-abiding residents with valid documentation. “They work, they pay taxes, and they belong here,” said one South Norwalk resident who witnessed the arrest. “This was nothing short of a kidnapping.”
The fuck is the point of 2a if not to resist this?
For many Americans, I think the reason for their support of 2A is so they can help the fascists against the rest of us. Most 2A supporters that I’ve met are not what I’d call good people. For the rest of us, it’s hard to find someone willing to die in the hail of bullets that will certainly follow the first shot of the resistance.
I have to concur. I used to work at a place where some portion of employees were NRA style gun owners. Couldn’t help noticing that the people always going on about guns were psychopaths that least should’ve been allowed near anything dangerous.
They are also simply not in their neighborhoods.
That’s why https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/huntington-park-border-patrol-agents-door-explosion/3734095/ we lost our government to fascists. They control our military
That’s what the 2a is for. Resistance.
please view the linked article and video of what happened at the house in the article.
I read the article. Shooting agents such as those in the article is what the second amendment is for
lmao watch the video. rip to you
I saw the video. Do you think that you have a point, or are you just making dipshit comments for fun?
You did not see the video, anyone with half a brain would know the outcome if anyone tried to 2a in that situation. Living is better than swiss cheese
I always thought the whole point of 2a was to shoot POC… But I’m not an American so maybe the nuance is lost on me
I am an American “person of color” (gods, what stupid phrase… fuck this newspeak) who owns firearms (at home; I live abroad currently).
Here’s the exact verbiage of the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Interpret that as thou wilt; we’ve been arguing about it since about 1791.
For what it’s worth, I’d amend the amendment to include this snippet from Marx, just to confuse us all even more:
Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.
I don’t disagree about anything you said, just a quick note because it’s a term that’s worth understanding:
“Newspeak” is a concept based on the dumbing down of language in order to make communication more difficult and complex concepts almost impossible. It’s not just new words or phrases. If it’s not damaging our ability to think and communicate, it’s not Newspeak. For this reason, “politically correct” alternatives (like “POC”), as well as increasingly specific terms (like “omnisexual” or “demi girl”) don’t qualify as Newspeak because they either continue the existing ability to think and communicate or enhance it by being more exacting about the concepts involved.
I’m not trying to be pedantic, it’s just important to me that people understand what Newspeak really is because the fascists really are trying to implement it as a means of reducing resistance against them. My favorite example is “climate change” which was a term introduced by right wing think tanks to undermine the more accurate (and more alarming) term “global warming.” And it worked.
Anyway, again I don’t disagree with your points, so please carry on!
Well Harris wasn’t progressive enough for me so this is okay so we can show the democrats we’re sick of them.
Yeah but she supports genocide or something.
If 4 years of bullshit leads to a stronger opposition party that can learn from this and make sure it never happens again, great. That’s admittedly a big bet against heavy odds but one can hope.
People forget this is the second time trump has been president. The Democrats had 4 years to prepare to prevent what we’re currently living with. And they came up with a plan, they chose a doddering senile old man as their candidate then when it became obvious that he was a doddering senile old man they replaced him midstream with his deeply flawed and uncharismatic VP. And she lost, wow, I’m shocked.
So you’re not worried about the people who will die because Trump is in power?
There’s very little I can do about it now. If i.could go back and change it I would. I can’t, so I’m hoping the DNC learns from this. I’m not holding my breath. I’m 90% convinced they’re controlled opposition and have been actively working towards this.
So you’re not, I got it.
I don’t get why they try and weasel around it. Just own it, tankies.
We aren’t the ones who could have simple not funded ICE.
And so, you’re fine with what’s happening under Trump. Yes, we get it.
Just own that, and stop weasling.
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Remember in 2019 when Hong Kong protestors called the US for help?
Yeah… about that… 👀
(I saw the image and I immediately thought of Hong Kong)
The day someone actually kills ICE-Nazis is the day i will send financial support to muricans.
Yep, MAGA is filled with fucking neo-Nazis who want to turn the USA in to 1930’s Germany.
Authoritarian hell…
It’ll keep happening until we all show up with baseball bats.
'Muricans should have more than enough guns. Where are they now? Hiding like rats, waiting for the Nazis to fully take over?
Not in Connecticut. That’s the point.
many of us have mental illnesses that would put us or others in danger if we had a gun. trust me, i believe in arming ourselves, especially minorities, but what if one day i have no impulse control and shoot myself? im at a loss.
Joining the Nazis.
That’s because the majority of them are fascists. What happened to American exceptionalism? It never existed. it’s a nation of soft wanna be humans disguised as capitalists.
The ones with guns are mostly just cheering them on from the sidelines
The vast majority of the gun freaks are on their side.
Blue states have encouraged disarming while the red are stockpiling. Wonder who ICE are targeting…
Organized federal financed paramilitary units with a hierarchy and a support structure and a multi-billion dollar PR budget are going to outperform random disconnected vigilantes who are too afraid to so much as wave at one another.
This is the same problem the Spanish Anarchists had against Franco. Its the problem German and Italian Communists had against the Fascist/Monarchist alliance. It’s the problem the French Resistance had against the Nazi occupation and the Hamas / Hezbollah resistance has had against the IDF.
Simply owning a firearm isn’t enough. You need a community of like-minded people operating in concert towards a recognized goal. That’s the difference between the Vietcong and Ruby Ridge. That’s what separates successful insurgencies from “lone wolf waterboarded to death in Gitmo blacksite”.
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Just find like-minded people, dress up like they do, don’t identify yourself and wear a mask, and do whatever you want. It seems to work for them.
Dont you guys have the ENTIRE amendment against this shit? Wear a strap, conceal carry and if somebody tries to literally kidnap you, just protect yourself.
I imagine for most, outside of a larger organised effort, the calculus is fairly simple. ICE agents are likely “itching” for someone to reach for a piece, for an excuse to shoot an “illegal”. And it’s not like law enforcement’s going to show up acting all reasonable to a scene with dead ICE agents too. Anyone shooting an ICE agent would get plastered all over FOX not as a defender of individual rights, but as a case in point for the propaganda machine.
Resisting is an almost certain death warrant. Not resisting you maintain ‘hope’ that reasonable minds will win out in the end / that you’ll only be locked up for a short time.
You are right in your assessment, but unfortunately, if nobody starts with active defense, it will only get worse and more “accepted” by society. That is how indoctrination is done, in small steps, “checking the water” for whats accepted by the masses and whats not, slowly pushing more and more into the extremes.
Anyone have a link to the video? Trying to save all of these since they tend to disappear
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That only has screenshots and a link to Instagram which wants me to sign in 😢
We should bring back tarring and feathering.
They don’t need to produce a warrant. Please direct your outrage correctly.
“Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.”
This has always been the case. It’s not Russia, it’s not Trump, the outrage should be directed at the “Immigration and Nationality Act” but I guess when Biden or Obama were President it was OK?
Been that way since at least 1990. So, um, when Obama was the Deporter in Chief, I don’t remember people jumping out of their skins like now?
don’t call it a warrant then, call it proof that these people are aliens because it doesn’t appear they actually have this either. and without that then they are violating a different law.
They actually require reason to believe you are hear illegally not skin color or accent nor presence outside home Depot
Sure but that’s different than going on and on about “no warrant”.
most arrests in a non-racist US would have to effectively be as paper driven as any other arrest a targeted enforcement against bob who we know overstayed his visa or james whom we caught sneaking in.
The problem with other actions is that they are inherently going to involve demanding papers in a fashion that is inherently illegal. You don’t have to anywhere show proof of citizenship to walk down the way.
OK but ICE doesn’t have to show a warrant and it’s always been that way. I didn’t invent that, neither did Trump. No one complained when it happened under Obama or Biden, or Clinton, or Bush(es)… Look, I’m just as horrified as anyone else with a modicum of humanity, but blasting the “without a warrant” part in every headline is counterproductive.
Under Obama people here legally didn’t fear being kidnapped. Even people in fear of deportation didn’t worry about taken to a foreign concentration camp to die nor did he say that the next job was to get rid of the legal ones who didn’t belong here.
Get out of here with your bullshit
Was there a daily occurrence of masked ICE agents with no identification smashing cars and grabbing people under Obama? I understand you want to talk about Democrats gladly participating in laws that help fascists, and you’re right, but it’s still valid to show the active fascist shift by listing the occurrences that pile up now when they didn’t before - not nearly as much.
This is what sycophancy looks like. ☝️
“Section 287 of the Immigration and Nationality Act provides ICE officers the authority to arrest aliens without a judicial warrant.”
Emphasis mine. No warrant. No due process. Not an “alien” unless you can fucking prove it.
And you gave away the game with that last part… If you think this is anything like what was happening under Obama or Biden, you’re ignorant or lying.
“gave away the game”? What are you even talking about? The “game” is going on and on about something that’s not relevant.
Why aren’t the articles saying what you are saying instead of stating irrelevant information? They didn’t have warrants either under Obama or Biden.
So you have some articles from Obama/Biden era about plain clothes, masked, agents who refused to identify themselves, smashing car windows and pulling people out of cars without warrants?
So fucking dishonest.
Surely the don’t tread on me people are fuming and about to patrol the streets to keep their communities safe, right?
Don’t Tread on me people are perfectly fine with other people getting tread on.
ICE isn’t going to their communities
"“Better to be judged by 12 than to be kidnapped and dragged to a death camp by as few as 2!”
I’ve only heard the “don’t tread on me” weirdos sing the cell block tango. “they had it coming, they only had themselves to blame.”
Man I want to walk up behind the Nazi in that third pic and kick him in the grundle so hard.
Imagine, I got a 7 day ban on Reddit for saying it would be funny if someone stole an ICE dick’s car and left him standing there with his little mask.
These guys deserve so much worse than being stranded like that. And Reddit is ri-god-damn-diculous.
Watching this shit happen in America from afar really is a mind fuck. I continue to fail to understand how Trump can still have any support is beyond me. The facism is just so god damn blatant at this point
Racism. The answer is racism. His white supremacist supporters love watching masked secret police beat the shit out of brown people. Then they’ll blame the next closest person when the food stops being produced and the farm food all rots on the vine
I saw a bumper sticker the other day that resonated with me “Stop pretending your racism is patriotism”
It reminded me of something an African American woman said to me during college more than 20 years ago “I always watch out for people that love to fly the American flag because you never know what that really means.”
Well 20 years ago nationalism in the US was at seemingly an all time high. It was hat dressed up as patriotism
And beyond racism it is happening in blue cities.
His supporters are primed to think that cities are dangerous places already, and that a city led by liberals is in shambles, and that all the people living there are lawless liberals that deserve punishment.
They are cheering about this because they see it as sending their troops to go hurt others. Whether those people are other because of their race, their religion, their gender, their sexuality, or their political beliefs.
And when these same people find out that something about them or a loved one makes them other they will act shocked. They will protest that they aren’t an other they are in the in-group.
And then they will learn the true nature of fascism. The in-group is constantly shrinking, because there must always be an other to blame. And they will learn that lesson too late.
