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Yes, you’re the weird one. Once you realize that 43% of the USA is FUNCTIONALLY ILLITERATE you start realizing why people are so enamored with AI. (since I know some twat is gonna say shit: I’m using the USA here as an example, I’m not being us-centric)
Our artificial intelligence, is smarter than 50% of the population (don’t get started on ‘hallucinations’…do you know how many hallucinations the average person has every day?!) – and is stupider than the top 20% of the population.
The top 20%, wonder if everyone has lost their fucking minds, because to them it looks like it is completely worthless.
It’s more just that the top 20% are naive to the stupidity of the average person.
Our artificial intelligence, is smarter than 50% of the population
“Smartness” and illiteracy are certainly different things, though. You might be incapable of reading, yet be able to figure out a complex escape room via environmental cues that the most high quality author couldn’t, as an example.
There are many places an AI might excel compared to these people, and many areas it will fall behind. Any sort of unilateral statement here disguises the fact that while a lot of Americans are illiterate, stupid, or even downright incapable of doing simple tasks, “AI” today is very similar, just that it will complete a task incorrectly, make up a fact instead of just “not knowing” it, or confidently state a summary of a text that is less accurate than first grader’s interpretation.
Sometimes it will do better than many humans. Other times, it will do much worse, but with a confident tone.
AI isn’t necessarily smarter in most cases, it’s just more confident sounding in its incorrect answers.
Yeah, when I refer to intelligence here I don’t mean actual intelligence. AI isn’t “smart” (it’s not intelligent in the classic sense, it doesn’t even think), it’s just good at regurgitating what it’s been trained on.
But it turns out – That’s kind of what humans do too. It’s worth having a philosophical discussion on what intelligence REALLY is.
It’s also much less incorrect than your average person would be on a much larger library of content. I think the real litmus test for AI is to compare it to an average person. The average person messes up constantly; also likely covers it up or course-corrects after they’ve screwed up. I don’t think it’s fair to expect perfectly correct responses out of AI at all; because there is absolutely no human that could reach those heights at an equal level. Look at competitive knowledge games where AI competes - it stomps some of our most intelligent people, and quite often.
I have to say, I don’t agree with some of your other points elsewhere here, but this makes a lot of sense.
Billionaires: invests heavily in water.
Billionaires: “In the future there’s going to be water wars. You need to invest NOW! Quick before it’s too late. I swear I’m not just trying to pump the stock.”
Billionaires: “Water isn’t accruing value fast enough. Let’s invent a product that uses a shit ton of it!”
Billionaires: “No one likes or is using the product. Force them to. Include it in literally all software and every website. Make it so they’re using the product even when they don’t know they’re using it. Include it in every web search. I want that water gone by the end of this quarter!”
It’s a tool being used by humans.
It’s not making anyone dumber or smarter.
I’m so tired of this anti ai bullshit.
Ai was used in the development of the COVID vaccine. It was crucial in its creation.
But just for a second let’s use guns as an example instead of ai. Guns kill people. Lemmy is anti gun, mostly. Yet Lemmy is pro Ukraine, mostly, and y’all supports the Ukrainians using guns to defend themselves.
Or cars, generally cars suck yet we use them as transport.
These are just tools they’re as good and as bad as the people using them.
So yes, it is just you and a select few smooth brains that can’t see past their own bias.
You can’t dispell irrational thoughts through rational arguments. People hate LLMs because they feel left behind which is an absolutely valid concern but expressed poorly.
People hate LLMs because they feel left behind
HAHAHAh! Wow.
Is that not true?
People hate llms because it gets them upvotes on lemmy. They don’t even know what llm stands for.
No.
It’s a tool being used by humans.
Nailed it.
It’s not making anyone dumber or smarter.
Absolutely incorrect.
I’m so tired of this anti ai bullshit.
That’s what OP says too, only the other way around.
Ai was used in the development of the COVID vaccine. It was crucial in its creation.
Machine Learning, or Data Science, is not what “anti-AI” is about. You can acknowledge that or keep being confused.
These are just tools they’re as good and as bad as the people using them.
In a vacuum. We don’t live in a vacuum. (no not the thing that you push around the house to clean the carpet. That’s also a tool. And the vacuum industry didn’t blow three hundred billion dollars on a vacuum concept that sort of works sometimes.)
So yes, it is just you and a select few smooth brains that can’t see past their own bias.
Yeah they’re so unfair to the ubiquitous tech companies that dominate their waking lives. I too support the unregulated billionaire’s efforts to cram invasive broken technology into every aspect of culture and society. I mean the vacuum industry. Whatever, i’m too smart for thinking about it.
Ok you’ve clearly lost the plot.
Let’s try again. You use the internet right? Well, the internet is used for crimes, it makes people dumber, ever watch any flat earth videos? You should boycott the internet so you’re not part of it that way you can remain morally in the clear.
And you not liking commercial llms vs. Machine learning for scientific application only makes you a hypocrite.
The term AI, when used by laymen, is a blanket term for the generative AI and LLMs that big tech is shoving down all our throats right now, not the highly specialized AIs used in medicine. So bringing up the COVID vaccine is largely a non-sequitur.
The rest of your comment is so full of false equivalencies that I’m not even gonna touch it.
The highly specialized “ai” that was used to make the COVID vaccine is probably significantly stupider than chatgpt two years ago.
Nothing I said was a false equivalency, though I’m pretty sure you don’t even know what a false equivalent is.
Trying to compare the intelligence of a specialized, single purpose AI to an LLM is asinine, and shows you don’t really know what you’re talking about. Just like how it’s asinine to equate a technology that pervades every facet of our lives, personal and professional, without our consent or control, to cars and guns.
So you’ve missed the point of what I was trying to say and proceeded to spout utter nonsense instead. Ok.
If I’ve missed the point, it’s because you’ve not made it clear. Please point out what nonsense I’ve spouted.
It doesn’t really make sense to call ai “stupid”. It’s just a computer algorithm.
The results can be good or bad depending on what you want to achieve.
Chatgpt can give a bad result if you try to play chess, because the GPT based algorithms are not very good at that. For that problem a tree search-based algorithm is better. E.g. minmax
Idk my boss keeps asking some perplexity AI any time you ask him any question instead of either
A) Thinking
Or
B) Researching (he thinks AI is researching. Despite it being proven perplexity has lied to him before.)
In essence, by making it so he doesn’t have to think about things or do any research himself, it is making him dumber. Not in the sense of losing actual brain cells (maybe. Remains to be seen.) but in the sense of “whether or not he’s physically dumber, his output is, so functionally…”
I agree completely.
“I was looking for my high school yearbook photo and Google Image didn’t have it! Google Image search doesn’t work and no one should use it!”
“I was trying to find a voicemail message from my late father on Spotify and I couldn’t find it! Spotify is useless!”
“I went to the dollar store to shop for low cost health care coverage and they didn’t have any! The dollar store is bad and no one should use it!”
i remember this same conversation once the internet became a thing.
being anti-plastic is making me feel like i’m going insane. “you asked for a coffee to go and i grabbed a disposable cup.” studies have proven its making people dumber. “i threw your leftovers in some cling film.” its made from fossil fuels and leaves trash everywhere we look. “ill grab a bag at the register.” it chokes rivers and beaches and then we act surprised. “ill print a cute label and call it recyclable.” its spreading greenwashed nonsense. little arrows on stuff that still ends up in the landfill. “dont worry, it says compostable.” only at some industrial facility youll never see. “i was unboxing a package” theres no way to verify where any of this ends up. burned, buried, or floating in the ocean. “the brand says advanced recycling.” my work has an entire sustainability team and we still stock pallets of plastic water bottles and shrink wrapped everything. plastic cutlery. plastic wrap. bubble mailers. zip ties. everyone treats it as a novelty. every treats it as a mandatory part of life. am i the only one who sees it? am i paranoid? am i going insane? jesus fucking christ. if i have to hear one more “well at least” “but its convenient” “but you can” im about to lose it. i shouldnt have to jump through hoops to avoid the disposable default. have you no principles? no goddamn spine? am i the weird one here?
#ebb rambles #vent #i think #fuck plastics im so goddamn tired
I wish companies were actually punished for their ecological footprint
plastic and AI
If plastic was released roughly two years ago you’d have a point.
If you’re saying in 50 years we’ll all be soaking in this bullshit called gen-AI and thinking it’s normal, well - maybe, but that’s going to be some bleak-ass shit.
Also you’ve got plastic in your gonads.
Yeah it was a fun little whataboutism. I thought about doing smartphones instead. Writing that way hurts though. I had to double check for consistency.
On the bright side we have Cyberpunk to give us a tutorial on how to survive the AI dystopia. Have you started picking your implants yet?
If you’re saying in 50 years we’ll all be soaking in this bullshit called gen-AI and thinking it’s normal, well - maybe, but that’s going to be some bleak-ass shit.
I’m almost certain gen AI will still be popular in 50 years. This is why I prefer people try to tackle some of the problems they see with AI instead of just hating on AI because of the problems it currently has. Don’t get me wrong, pointing out the problems as you have is important - I just wouldn’t jump to the conclusion that AI is a problem itself.
Unfortunately the masses will do as they’re told. Our society has been trained to do this. Even those that resist are playing their part.
See also: Cars, appliances, consumer electronics, movies, food, architecture.
We are ruled by the market and the market is ruled by the lowest common denominator.
On the contrary: society has repeatedly rejected a lot of ideas that industries have come up with.
HD DVD, 3D TV, Crypto Currency, NFT’s, Laser Discs, 8-track tapes, UMD’s. A decade ago everyone was hyping up how VR would be the future of gaming, yet it’s still a niche novelty today.
The difference with AI is that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a supply side push this strong before. I’m not seeing a whole lot of demand for it from individual people. It’s “oh this is a neat little feature I can use” not “this technology is going to change my life” the way that the laundry machine, the personal motor vehicle, the telephone, or the internet did. I could be wrong but I think that as long as we can survive the bubble bursting, we will come out on the other side with LLM’s being a blip on the radar. And one consequence will be that if anyone makes a real AI they will need to call it something else for marketing purposes because “AI” will be ruined.
AI’s biggest business is (if not already, it will be) surveillance systems sold to authoritarian governments worldwide. Israel is using it in Gaza. It’s both used internally and exported as a product by China. Not just cameras on street corners doing facial recognition, but monitoring the websites you visit, the things you buy, the people you talk to. AI will be used on large datasets like these to label people as dissidents, to disempower them financially, and to isolate them socially. And if the AI hallucinates in this endeavor, that’s fine. Better to imprison 10 innocent men than to let 1 rebel go free.
In the meantime, AI is being laundered to the individual consumer as a harmless if ineffective toy. “Make me a portrait, give me some advice, summarize a meeting,” all things it can do if you accept some amount of errors. But given this domain of problems it solves, the average person would never expect that anyone would use it to identify the first people to pack into train cars.
VR was and is also still a very inaccessible tool for most people. It costs a lot of money and time to even get to the point where you’re getting the intended VR experience and that is what it mostly boils down to: an experience. It isn’t convenient or useful and people can’t afford it. And even though there are many gamers out there, most people aren’t gamers and don’t care about mounting a VR headset on their cranium and getting seasick for a few minutes.
AI is not only accessible and convenient, it is also useful to the everyday person, if the AI doesn’t hallucinate like hell, that is. It has the potential to optimize workloads in jobs with a lot of paperwork, calculations and so on.
I completely agree with you that AI is being pushed very aggressively in ways we haven’t seen before and that is because the tech people and their investors poured a lot of money into developing these things. They need it to be a success so they can earn their money back and they will be successful eventually because everybody with money and power has a huge interest in this tool becoming a part of everyday life. It can be used to control the masses in ways we cannot even imagine yet and it can earn the creators and investors a lot of money.
They are already making AI computers. According to some it will entirely replace the types of computers we are used to today. From what I can understand, it will be preferable to the open AI setups we have currently that are burning our planet to a crisp with the amount of data centers that need to keep them active. Supposedly the AI computer will have it be a local thing on the laptop and it will therefore demand less resources, but I’m so fucking skeptic about all this shit that I’m waiting to see how much power a computer with an AI operating system will need to swallow in energy. I’m too tech-ignorant to understand the ins and outs of what this and that means, but we are definitely going to have to accept that AI is here to stay and the current setup with open AIs and forced LLM’s in every search engine is a massive environmental nightmare. It probably won’t stop or change a fucking lick because people don’t give a fuck as long as they are comfortable and the companies are getting people to use their trash tech just like they wanted so they won’t stop it either.
AI is not only accessible and convenient, it is also useful to the everyday person, if the AI doesn’t hallucinate like hell, that is.
This is literally the pitch burning hundreds of billions of dollars into ash. It’s insane.
HDDVDs weren’t rejected by the masses they were a casualty in Sony’s vendetta against the loss of Beta and DAT. Both of which were rejected by industry not consumers (though both were later embraced by industry and Betas even outlasted VHSs). They would have won out for the same reasons that Sony lost the previous format wars (insistence on licensing fees) except this time Sony bought out Columbia and had a whole library of video and a studio to make new movies to exclusively release on their format. Essentially the supply side pushing something until consumers accepted it, though to your point not quite as bad as AI is right now.
8-Tracks and laserdiscs were just replaced by better formats (Compact Cassette and Video CD/DVD respectively). Each of them were also replacements for previous formats like Reel to Reel and CEDs.
UMDs only don’t exist still because flash media got better and because Sony opted to use a cheaper scratch resistant coating instead of a built in case for later formats (like Blu-ray). Also, UMDs themselves were a replacement for or at least inspired by an earlier format called MiniDisc.
Capitalism’s biggest feat has been convincing people that everything is the next big thing and nothing that has come before is similar when just about everything is just a rinse and repeat, even LLMs… remember when Watson beat Ken Jennings?
I’m putting a presentation on at work about the downsides of AI next month, please feed me. Together, we can stop the madness and pop this goddamn bubble.
Ask any AI which states have the letter R in them. Watch them get it wrong, and show to colleagues how dangerous it is to rely on their results as fact.
Gemini, feed them some downsides of AI 😁
Get thee hence to the fuck_ai community. You will be given sustenance.
I try use it to pitch ideas for writing (no prose because fuck almighty) to help fill in ideas or aspects I did not think about. But it just keeps coming up with shit I don’t use and so I just use it for validation and encouragement.
I got a pretty good layout for a new season of Magic School Bus where Friz loses her mind and decides to be the history teacher.
A lot of people also mix generative AI with predictive. Like they will mention the hurricane predictor or cancer cell finder AI as a “good use case for chatgpt.”
Hard to blame the people, when the media have been calling everything AI these days
I may dress like an android, but I’m humanist as all hell. Down with AI slop, jail those responsible for wildlife destruction and theft from artists, and banish this slop to the history books!
“Stolen” images… if its on the web its free to learn from.
Not necessarily. There are “do not crawl” tags bypassed by AI bots, burdening sites with greater server load.
Seriously, copyright doesn’t just go away because it’s online. The concept of “right of reproduction” is a vast and well defined area of law.
You can argue copyright law is garbage and archaic and needs to be overhauled sure, but right now “if it’s on the Web it’s free” only counts if you’re Meta and can pay off a judge or something
That’s not how intellectual property rights work.
In the US, an artistic work is automatically protected by copyright when it is created. Displaying the art publicly does not remove the artist’s copyright. Only the artist/copyright owner can grant someone else rights to use the work. Again, public accessibility of the work does not degrade the copyright.
Yeah, but fuck copyright.
You realize that what I’m talking about protects the artist, right? I’m not talking about the RIAA or MPAA, I’m talking about the creating artist’s legal ownership of their work.
You may not like this, but I still don’t care.
Mm, I see, you’re one of those people…
I hate LLMs for everything except summing up those endless Genshin quest dialogues. I want to know roughly what the quest is about, but not going to read/listen to hours of extremely dry and stilted thesaurus-wanking. But I’d never use it for anything where I actually care about the accuracy of the output.
Not just you. Ai is making people dumber. I am frequently correcting the mistakes of my colleagues that use.
My attitude to all of this is I’ve been told by management to use it so I will. If it makes mistakes it’s not my fault and now I’m free to watch old Stargate episodes. We’re not doing rocket surgery or anything so who cares.
At some point they’ll realise that the AI is not producing decent output and then they’ll shut up about it. Much easier they come to that realisation themselves than me argue with them about it.
Luckily no one is pushing me to use Ai in any form at this time.
For folks in your position, I fear that they will first go through a round of layoffs to get rid of the people who are clearly using it “wrong” because Top Management can’t have made a mistake before they pivot and drop it.
Yeah that is a risk, then again if they’re forcing their employees to use AI they’re probably not far off firing everyone anyway so I don’t see that it makes a huge amount of difference for my position.
When i was a kid and firat realized i was maybe a genius, it was terrifying. That there weren’t always gonna just be people smarter than me who could fix it.
Seeing them get dumber is like some horror movie shit.
I don’t fancy myself a genius but the way other people navigate things seems to create a strangely compelling case on its own
I gotta be honest, I’m neither pro nor anti AI myself. I don’t use it as much as I used to these days, but when I do use it, it can be pretty fun and helpful. And I can’t help but admire the AI images and videos, even if it is AI slop. (Maybe I’m an idiot for being very easily impressed/entertained by almost anything.)
Yes I know there’s a bunch of problems with it (including environmental), but at the same time, I don’t feel like I’m contributing to those problems, since I’m just one person, and there’s so many other people using it anyway.
