• CromulantCrow@lemmy.zip
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      When I hear Nazi I think of concentration camps and killing Jews. Kirk was a big supporter of Israel. Does Nazi just mean conservative fascist now? And if so is B. Netanyahu a Nazi? That seems weird.

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        Yes, it is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.

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          So when does he start exterminating the Jews?

          Edit: he literally cant be a nazi. He’s a sionist.

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            Like the Germans they are starting with the homeless and disabled. In this case the Latino community is being targeted in the same way as the Jewish community was in Germany.

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              So he’s a sionist then. Not a nazi. Stop throwing words around if you don’t know what they mean.

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                I don’t know what “sionisom” is but to answer your question. Nazi, is a good way to describe a genocidal facist. The Nazis do appear to have aligned with Zionist in modern times. Nazism and Zionism are very similar because they both have goals to create a white ethnostate. The brand of nazism we are seeing in the United States is targeting and scapegoating (hallmark of Nazism) the homeless, and Latino communities. People are being disappeared off the streets without due process or accountability. In Germany the worst concentration camps were on foreign soil during the holocaust so the United States shipping people to Africa and El Salvador should worry even the most skeptical critic. RFK has talked openly about sending people with mental illness to camps. He also has openly made blanket statements about autistic people not having a life worth living.

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                  Except the word nazi denotes and is defined by the hate of Jews.

                  You might say that sionists and nazis are similar, but they are categorically different. Or it would be slightly self-destructive as a Jewish state to want to exterminate all Jews, dont you think?

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    Yep. I’ve already said this like three times on other platforms: it’s ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The “it’s worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns” and this empathy thing.

    This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.

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    Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy.

    No really, if he was a nicer guy this probably wouldn’t have happened.

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    Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:

    Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.

    But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every “rest in piss” meme, every “fucked around and found out” joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.

    Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.

    The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.

    His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.

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    I don’t give a shit about Charlie Kirk, rest in piss, but my celebration is mildly stunted by the fact that this is a dangerous thing to normalize and this is a massive notch in that direction given how huge of a public figure he was and the nature of his assassination being so public.

    Of course, the right is largely responsible for that normalization, and Charlie Kirk’s death is actually on people like Charlie Kirk’s very hands. However, for me its just the consequences and the dark future that this seems to push us further into.

    Hopefully the right fails to capitalize on his death effectively and we move onto largely forgetting about the piece of shit.

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    They didn’t seem to care when it was Paul Pelosi, or the two democratic politicians that were assassinated in their homes.

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    “Some gun deaths are worth in order to have the second amendment”

    I hope he had couple minutes to reflect on this before he died.

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    I have seen so many right wingers post something along the lines of “leftists are so psychotic for being happy he was killed, we should kill all leftists in response!”

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    I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.

    I told them, I can’t do that because I’m not 6ft under.

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    I’m not celebrating, it’s just a routine champagne toast. I do it every time a fascist dies of unnatural causes.

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    Political violence is of course bad… but as soon as you call for it, especially indirectly, you deserve whatever comes to you. Stochastic terrorism is still terrorism, and there’s not a lot more American than the fact we don’t negotiate with terrorists.

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      Yeah, the victim literally called for it. He celebrated it against his enemies, I’m not all that tore up about it

      Political violence is bad… But what no one seems to be saying is that it’s a symptom.

      You can’t stop it. You can’t take all the guns. You can’t crack down on it.

      It’s a sign of where we are as a country right now.

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        You seem to misunderstand. We don’t negotiate. We supply them because they’re killing people we want killed, or we blow them up.