In a video statement, Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu called the growing MAGA conspiracy a ‘monstrous big lie.’

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    3 months ago

    He left behind a wife and two kids. That’s how we know Israel didn’t do it.

    Stolen from here

    BTW, Netanyahu having to deal with actual antisemites peddling conspiracy theories sounds a lot like the boy who cried wolf

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      Being against isreal is not bigotry so save your actual bias for someone that can be trusted to be honest abput it.

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        Being anti-Israel is not the same as antisemitism, but I believe the previous comment was referring to the actual Nazis who were spreading the Israel-Kirk theory.

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          Israelis are a type of actual nazi and not a legitimate source of whom are nazis.

          They are openly aligned with literal classic nazis and all the new kinds. Of course they would lie about the motive of anyone accusing them.

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          He turned against them and lately dared to speak out on their power over the US and even their genocide.
          This while at first he was made big with zionist money and now refused further payment.
          He got a lot of criticism from even worse people than himself, like Fuentes and rich zionists demanding he fall back in line.

          That is not “Nazis who were spreading the Israel-Kirk theory” but simple facts

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    This sounds exactly what someone who did kill Charlie Kirk would say. /s

    Real talk y’all, I didn’t even really think to entertain that conspiracy until this.

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    Charlie Kirk was supposed to be of the maga faction that supported Israel. Why would Bibi want to whack him?

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    I only have a vague idea of what Kirk stood for so can someone please explain why anyone would think that Israel killed him? Wasn’t he a Trump supporter - and by extension a supporter of Israeli policy?

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      It’s because supposedly he changed his views on Israel, and Netanyahu confirmed he invited Charlie to Israel to discuss this like a week or two before Charlie died and said he was changing his mind again.

      Candace Owens (yarf) has acted emotional about this, there’s rumors she was having an affair, or her husband and Charlie were having an affair and she didn’t know but was close to him from that. There are also other rumors about Charlie hooking up with men. Anyway, Candace Owens is primarily the one pushing the anti-Israel stuff and that Netanyahu killed him.

      Remembering that she is owned by Russia, it could be that she is just stirring up drama while Russia starts fucking with Poland and Romania and NATO

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      I feel like I would suspect them less if they hadn’t said anything. Most of Israel’s formal statements regarding allegations of Israeli violence are lies, so what would make this statement different?

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      Eh, there was “evidence” (a third-party tweet) that Kirk was worried about being killed by Israel shortly before his death.

      It’s not like this came out of nowhere.

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        He was a raging antisemite. Of course a raging antiemetic whack job would be concerned about them killing him.

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          Wait, antisemite definition one ‘hates Jews’ or antisemite definition two ‘thinks Palestinians are people’? Definition one has nothing to fear.

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            The original, actual, sense.

            He’s a white supremacist. He hated anyone who isn’t white. He’s said some pretty horrific things about Jews, even if he’s nominally okay with an Israeli state (because fascists of a feather…)

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                “White” is an ever-moving target, dancing on the whims of whether the suit-and-tie-wearing white guy thinks he can get you to build him a railroad.

                So, the answer is yes and no.

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                According to Charlie Kirk? Nope.

                For white supremacists it’s not really about skin color (well, some might actually be that stupid,) but rather about culture, and their culture being “special”

                Keep in mind, 19th century people saw them as a distinct race, and Kirk’s views (as well as, for example hitler’s) stem from that.

                To be clear, Kirk and his ilk are assholes with a very backwards view of the world.

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                I dunno.

                They didn’t ask me if they should.

                (and the only- and I mean only- reason I’d be inclined to say they did kill Kirk was because they just let everyone know they most certainly did not kill him.)

                There’s a funny babylon 5 clip here. the backstory is that her boss, Captain Sheridan, asked her to slip in that nothing happened in sector 83x9x12. She balked saying that her thing not being propaganda. She gives in, because in point of fact nothing happened, at all. He also did other things like having a fleet of ships move around and shoot random rocks in quiet spaces… all because he was trying to get a cantankerous group of allied worlds (ironically named, “league of non-allied worlds”…) to sign a thing bringing them into a more formal alliance. These worlds saw the whites stars shooting at the rocks, saw the announcement, and were like “White stars don’t shoot at nothing! there must be an enemy we can’t see!” (and then handed him everything he wanted.)

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            Definitely 1. Is position over Israel and Palestine seems to have been all over the place. There are videos of him saying Netanyahu is lying about Gaza, and he we was firmly against Israel’s attack on Iran, but then he would also say absurd stuff like there’s no starvation in Gaza.

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      They do so many (illegal) international assassinations, it’s good to clarify

      See also Mossad

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    I didn’t think they had anything to do with it until this.

    Netanyahu made a couple of social media posts about it when it happened, but there’s now not really another sensible reason why the PM of a random country cares about an American podcaster so much.

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        The more the Netanyahu reacts to this the more he shows where his head is at.

        The PM of a different country is placing a lot of importance on what was before, just seen as an American podcaster by the mainstream.

        This coupled with his “if I go down the global right goes down with me” post he made last week just makes it even more sus IMO

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    Incidentally, why don’t we all play with the same truthiness ruleset?

    Benjamin Netanyahu ordered the hit on Charlie Kirk.

    We know with certainty that Donald Trump did not order the hit, as he’d be bragging about it.

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      Do we really, though? I don’t trust El Taco to remember what he’s wearing at the moment, let alone whether or not he ordered a hit.

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    Holy shit, they killed Charlie Kirk??!

    I never even considered Israel could be responsible. Very nice of Netanyahu to clear that up.