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      The whole value in searching is to get me to primary sources in a reasonably efficient way. Everything about AI is inserting extra middle men. I just don’t understand how anyone tolerates it.

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    So you’re saying that we should do more AI searches for “Trump Dementia”

    … and use variations of it like … “Trump old losing his mind”, “Trump old senile”, “Trump dementia don”, “Donny Dementia”, “Ding Dong Dementia Donny Trump”

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    This is probably payback for letting them off the hook on the monopoly suits. Expect more “payback” as they manipulate the narrative.

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      Thats not what theyre referring to. If you search “does donald trump have dementia”, the ai prompt doesnt respond from its gathered results. Someone physically disabled the function.

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        “We’re going to punish you by making the results a regular search.”

        They’re threatening us with a good time. 🤷

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          Absolutely agreed, but also a way to filter information from the masses as a whole. Bread and circuses and all that

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        I’ve been a Kagi user for over a year and I usually hate AI summaries. Though I must say I love how Kagi has implemented them as it gives sources where it found the info so you can dig deeper and see if what it said was actually correct.

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          Kagi’s summaries are great.

          They’re hidden by default, requiring you to click the button first. They don’t extrapolate too much. And their sources will be the exact same links you got from the search.

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            I just put a question mark at the end and it does it automatically. Works like a charm.

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          Their AI is pretty good, both assistant and search summaries. Been using it extensively as it actually provides correct and objective information (at least more often than others). It is also privacy-first, so you don’t get those annoying personality shifts as with like GPT.

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      I use mojeek, and startpage sometimes. Ddg is too influenced now, they do the same stuff Google does. Brave is run by people who hate LGBT people so I can’t support them in good conscience.

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        2 months ago
        The post is likely referring to a long-standing controversy around Brendan Eich, the founder and CEO of Brave (the browser and search engine company). In 2008, Eich donated $1,000 to support California's Proposition 8, a ballot measure that banned same-sex marriage (later overturned by courts). This came to light in 2014 when he was briefly appointed CEO of Mozilla, leading to widespread backlash from employees, users, and activists who viewed it as anti-LGBTQ+. Eich resigned from Mozilla after just 11 days amid the outcry, expressing regret for causing pain but not fully recanting his views.
        
        Some people, including in the LGBTQ+ community and allies, continue to avoid or criticize Brave on these grounds, seeing it as support for leadership with historically discriminatory stances. This isn't a "new" issue in 2025—it's tied to events from over a decade ago—but it persists in discussions about ethical tech choices. Brave has faced other unrelated controversies (e.g., ad practices), but this one specifically relates to anti-LGBT perceptions.
        
        For more details:
        - [Wikipedia on Brendan Eich](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich)
        - [Article on the Mozilla controversy](https://www.osnews.com/story/27646/the-new-mozilla-ceos-political-past-is-imperiling-his-present/)
        - [Recent discussion on Brave controversies](https://www.reddit.com/r/browsers/comments/1j1pq7b/list_of_brave_browser_controversies/)
        - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43300333
        

        well fuck! brave is the one browser that fits all my needs.

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    kagi is the best search engine right now. hands down. google can suck it.

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        Kagi does provide a good experience but it can never replace the free search engines. It relies pretty heavily on Google’s search API it just allows you to massage the results with tools Google took away.

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          Kagi uses Bing as its primary search index AFAIK, so no Google search API there.

          That said, it does run entirely on Google Cloud Services, which I personally find ironic.

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            So what your saying is it doesn’t rely on just one but two massive corps to actually deliver it’s product which is ment to be an alterative to those very products?

            Kek

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    Forget the spokesperson, just ask Google AI directly:

    AI on Google Search, including the AI Overviews in search, does not provide summaries on topics involving Donald Trump and dementia. This is due to risk aversion, sensitivity to political topics, and recent legal challenges. Instead, these searches return a list of traditional web links.

    Reasons for the lack of response

    • Risk of misinformation: AI-generated conclusions about a public figure’s health could spread misinformation. The mental acuity of Donald Trump and President Joe Biden, the oldest presidents in U.S. history, is a topic of public discussion.
    • Avoiding political sensitivity: AI models often have restrictions on sensitive or controversial topics to avoid biased responses. Google and other tech companies are cautious about how their AI products respond to election-related or partisan queries.
    • Legal history with Trump: Google’s handling of Trump-related content may be influenced by recent legal and political issues. In 2025, Google paid a $24.5 million settlement in a lawsuit related to the suspension of Trump’s YouTube account.
    • Inconsistent application of AI summaries: Some users report that searches about other politicians, like Barack Obama or Joe Biden, may return an AI-generated response, though this varies. This inconsistency has led to criticism that the AI applies selective censorship.

    Google’s statement A Google spokesperson stated that AI Overview and AI Mode do not always show answers to all queries, especially sensitive or complex ones. The company suggests that users rely on traditional search results in such cases.

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      Instead, these searches return a list of traditional web links.

      “Oh…oh okay. So you know what that is. Why are unable to provide traditional web links for ALL my searches? Because, I’m gonna be honest with you Google. I never asked for you to ‘summarize’ my web results and the fact that you can turn it off at your discretion tells me that you could turn it off for everyone.”

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      Yeah, we consistently give the wrong answer on any divisive and sensitive topic, but THIS particular issue we will skip because we wouldn’t want somebody to feel like we don’t have our tongue solidly lodged up their ass

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        Yeah, it’s insanely inept. They could have restricted the AI from answering “any question about a public figure and dementia” or even “the health information about a politician” or whatever if they were genuinely concerned. But they blocked only specifically Trump and dementia? It’s almost intentionally obvious.

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      Okay, but why? LLMs always give a response, they’re trained to give a response regardless of accuracy. This entire wall of text could be completely made up.

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            We need to concern ourselves with what the corporations do.

            Who gives a shit how they explain themselves?

            Once the corps do something egregiously bad, we should not ask for an explanation. We should insist they change how they behave. Period.

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    Wtf, confirmed. Ask about any person, any president on if they have dementia or not and it’ll answer

    Ask about trump and it refused to interact, just dumps a search results window with funnily enough the first result being a page about how Google is censoring this

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      Surfacing the result of how they are censoring the results might be a canary in a coal mine, we can’t say we’re doing it but we can make the top result someone else saying we’re doing it.

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        The incentives don’t allow for this shit in an organization like Google. They can only respond to stock price and earnings.

        Very likely someone back channeled a demand and they folded like a deck of cards.

        So the team responsible for that AI box added Trump dementia to the list of things it won’t respond to.

        The team responsible for the news bits didn’t get the request so that just shows up in its place.

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          True for the organization as a whole, but a pissed off engineer or two could have done it, and the people above them are just leaning on “it’s the algorithm” since they don’t agree with the censorship either.

          I’m sure the C Suite will step in and make them change it but it takes time for them to address the issue.

          I’m not saying that’s what is going on, but I’ve witnessed my own department head pull similar tricks, albeit his tricks weren’t as high stakes as this would be.

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    Oh so youre saying that AI companies can control what the AI says?

    So meta letting their AI sext with children was intentional then…