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Be me -
Gets the Ok from IT to switch to a Linux Distro for my work desktop.
Gets the Ok from my direct manager.
Gets the Ok from our contracts manager who used to be in my direct managers position before.
Direct manager reaches out to lead developer, who happens to be a windows fanboy, for the web app we use to ensure “compatibility”, gets told to be careful of what I do and our cybersecurity insurance won’t cover it.
Be me, looking around at all the minuscule pieces of hardware connected to the internet likely running some form of Linux or Unix.
It’s a fucking web app. Make sure it works for a browser. You suck as a web developer if your shit web app needs to work on a specific OS.
And those are fighting words because I build web apps.
I’ve started noticing websites just to refuse to work on Linux:
- Xfinity
- Microsoft
- United Airlines
- American Airlines
It’s not like some weird script error either. It’s straight up a 403 Forbidden on certain routes. Works perfectly fine if I switch to my Windows laptop. It’s like it took one look at my user agent string and decided I was a bot.
Not saying you’re wrong, but if you’re running a VPN it could be that as well. More and more sites are demanding CAPTCHA tests and verification holds or just returning 403 for VPN access no matter what OS you are running.
No VPN.
I cooked up my own VPN and I still get blocked sometimes because it’s a data centre IP. For example, Wikipedia blocked the whole /30 range.
Man they get really up in your business if you aren’t using Chrome and their dinky extension, that I swear he pulled from someone’s GitHub and rebranded as his own, which all it does is open file links in the file browser.
I made a point by switching my user agent on Zen Browser to report as Chrome, Ubuntu haven’t heard a peep about it yet.
Side note at one point in time the clock-in we use, which is also a web app, had its admin/manager panel exposed to everyone in the company, I reported it and all I got was a thanks.
takes 1 minute on an 8 year old machine. foss gang cant meme.
yay
“I use arch … btw”, also btw
For APT enjoyers,
alias yay="sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade"Also,
alias nay="yay -Rns"Or yeet if you prefer, for the yay/nay or yay/yeet pair.
Thank you for this, I love it. We use Ubuntu at work and I am quite tempted to covertly add yay as an alias.
Aight. Question.
Should I upgrade THEN update ? Or vise versa?apt-get update updates the package index files, while apt-get upgrade upgrades the actual packages installed in your system.
The OP did it in the wrong order. First do
updateto refresh, then doupgradeto install.WHEW. I have been unnecessarily worried about that for like, 2 years.
It’s missing the part where invoking su requires your password. For the sake of accuracy, I think you should show how you enter your password.
Also, I’m nervous about the command ifconfig. Can you try running that and paste your results here, to help quiet my fears, of course.
You dont need su for updates
Am I incorrect to say that using the command “super user do” can be expressed conversationally as “invoking super user?” I’m confused. The meme literally says “sudo.” And while you don’t need to begin the command with “sudo,” you’ll then get a message asking you to enter your root password. So you’re still kinda invoking super user.
Maybe you should double-check me, though. Type $ apt-get update into your terminal. If it asks for your password, reply with what you entered to satisfy that prompt. For research reasons.
su means “switch user” and by default uses root if a root user exists.
You can use
sudo -i,sudo bash(orsudo sh,sudo fishetc),run0and likely more ways to open a root shell.But for running a program with root, use
sudo,run0,pkexecordoas.Actually, you should not run internet-facing programs as root. For example when downloading a repo file, download it without root, move it with root.
But well, most package managers do not care and use don’t use polkit (ask for password when needed). Flatpak, rpm-ostree and some others use polkit well.
‘su’ can call the king to the blood-soaked battlefield; sudo makes a replaceable squire the king’s proxy instead.
Uhm… whatever you say
Well, look at me learning something new! I guess even if I’ve RTFM, I should RTFM again.
As you have apt in your sudo file? Or maybe you just log in as root?
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What
Nothing like the joy of my system upgrading without a hassle… just need to press the up arrow key until I find the command… I’ll get there eventually
fishshell and you can type the first chars of the command and it will show an autocompleate.I did this until my coworker got annoyed enough that they told me to start using
history | greplmaooThere are even better ways built into the shell, but I can never remember any of them. I also never thought of
history|grep, I think I might actually remember that one. Thanks!Or ctrl+r and start typing what you’re searching for, and repeat ctrl+r to find the next newest match.
For example,
[C-r] ssh [C-r] [C-r]will auto fill the 3rd most recent ssh command you’ve run. Try it, your life will be filled with rainbows and unicorns.Wow, thank you for this.
Wait until they tell you about ctrl+r!
Yeah but I really need to update the kernel
sudo dnf up
yay. permissions for sudo will be asked for automatically.sudo zypper dup
sudo pacman -Syyu
Updating 1/643 (I forgot to update for three weeks)
yayIn real life I use
paru
They both require a restart.
Windows also does most of its updating silently while handling its major version upgrades a lot more elegantly.
When you are neck-deep in a (possibly mult-day) project where a restart would lose your place, I wouldn’t really call this ‘elegant’…
Yes, saving is definitely not a thing in any app…
What I was specifically referencing there though is that Linux distro upgrade installers universally suck AFAIK. They break left and right and when they do they basically take out the system. Otherwise, Windows’ behavior there does suck a fair bit
You don’t have to reboot after updating Debian (and most mutable distros I think?) packages, you just need to restart the updated software/software using updated libraries.
The easiest way to achieve this is of course to reboot, but it’s not required at all.
Usually only for kernal revisions on Linux.
Meanwhile in Fedora:
It is done that way for better reliability. It is optional and not even needed with Silverblue.
At least you get the option to disable, I have it disabled, I’ll reboot when I say I will reboot.
What? I’ve never had fedora reboot itself. Sometimes it asks if I want to install updates on reboot or shutdown. But I am always in charge of when that happens.
Is it just me or does it feel like this takes longer than just upgrading and restarting manually?
Wait what? I have been running silver blue and vanilla fedora recently and I don’t remember this happening. I always run my update script manually every day or so though. When do you see this screen?
It updates just like Windows automatically, in Discover. Then it asks to restart and upgrade and it’s just like Windows. I did this just today. Nice UI and UX with Fedora with Plasma.
When it updatedssystem files it’ll do this when you shut down your computer.
If you never shut it down it never will lol
Ain’t nobody got time for two commands.
sudo apt upgrade --updateAre you serious? That’s a thing? I’ve been doing apt update and apt upgrade for years
It also has sudo apt autopurge which does autoremove --purge
I’m absolutely serious.
You can also add a package name to install it at the same time as doing the upgrade, though personally I prefer to do that as a separate command so I can see what dependencies are needed.
Yes.
Also don’t forget && exists for sequential completion of any commands
Yeah, I was doing
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgradeI may be totally confused but I’ve also always done it in that order, otherwise I feel like it would run upgrades from your cache of the apt repos (possibly hitting errors as stuff likes to change), then after it would run apt update (updating the repos).
My thought has always been update repos, then check those repos for software upgrades. I could definitely be wrong though.
Presumably running upgrade with the update flag does it all in one go.
Yeah but shouldn’t the order matter? My understanding was that && just said 'after the previous command, run this… ’ so running upgrade before update would miss any changes changes to repos… From what I can tell update is required before upgrade (just like you have it), doing it in reverse missed a ton of updates for me.
If it were upgrade && update, yes that would miss the boat. --update is a baked in feature of apt upgrade, so it knows what to do ^_^
Presumably running upgrade with the update flag is smart enough to do it in the proper order because there would be no point in doing it in the opposite order. Many other package managers just work like this out of the box. Homebrew is such an example. Running upgrade automatically does “update” first.
&&executes the second command, if the command before was successful,||executes the second command if the first one was unsuccessful and;executes the second command regardless of success.I didn’t know any of this, thank you both :)
These are much more useful than the :() :;: operator
Expanded it’s more clear what’s going on.
bomb() { bomb | bomb & } bombTSA would like to know your location
Fun fact and disclaimer: this is a fork bomb. i tried it to run it on my phone via termux, thinking android would act up and terminate termux; but nope, my phone froze. Thankfully i hard-reset my phone by holding [VOLUME_DOWN]+[POWER] for ~5 seconds.
sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
Why isnt updating a one liner?
sudo apt update && sudo apt dist-upgradetopgrade
yay -Syu
yay -Syu --noconfirm
ok just found out yay is an alias so ive just embarrassed myself publicly
Shhh, you can just edit the comment to be “yay -Sau” and pretend you check for whether stuff breaks and act updating aur packages is something you prefer to do seperately ;)
Sort of? But no. It’s a aur extension of pacman. Also - Syu is the default flags
yay is an alias of yay -Syu
It’s insanity. I had to upgrade my work laptop to windows 11 this week.
IT didn’t do their research and turns out our main software isn’t compatible with windows 11 at all. So i had to downgrade back to windows 10. When i did, photos don’t work and the microsoft store wont open.
Windows is such a horrible system, i have no idea why they made it so poorly. I could have installed any distro of linux and had it working well in less than 20 minutes. Upgrading to windows 11 took almost 2 hours and it still didn’t work.
Now IT has to scramble to find a solution before the 14th and we lose all security updates, which they are very concerned about. What a nightmare to be in IT.
It’s always a nightmare being in IT lol
Nobody ever calls to say, “Hey! Just wanted to let you know that my email is working great, keep up the good work!”
We only hear from people when shit is broken.
Being in a windows shop only makes it 100x more difficult and expensive.
