A platform without ads or evil corpo ownership? Yeah, I’d scared too.

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    Reddit seems to be in purge mode so that the AI doesn’t develop too many problematic leftist opinions. I was looking back to an old post critizing CS Lewis and the comments were absolutely nuked since my last visit.

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      Does it have to try hard? Didn’t leftist remove themselves from a lot of places and purge their own comments?

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        Didn’t leftist remove themselves from a lot of places and purge their own comments?

        There’s definitely been an Exodus since 2020. But prior to that, it was a long running guerrilla war of leftists fighting to find footholds in the system and evade bans, while Reddit Corporate implemented increasingly draconian purges.

        Less of a problem since 2022, so they pivoted to going after anyone solidly progressive. Then anyone left-liberal. Now anyone who isn’t an outright MAGAt.

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          The response though is interesting to me because when the right faced the same pressure it rallied them. They made so much noise and used every lever they could. Like the littlest 86 year old Republican grandpa took to online accounts and became obsessed with making sure people could say racist facist bullshit online. But people on the left retreated. We said things like “don’t wressle with pigs” like we’re better than it all. When I bring this up to people the say “well they’re just funded” but it’s like they don’t understand that funding probably paid for a lot of accounts to convince us to retreat. My 2 cents anyways.

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            it’s like they don’t understand that funding probably paid for a lot of accounts to convince us to retreat

            Easy to forget that Social Media is a game in which the scores are made up and the points don’t really matter. People just get very tied up in their ahem Social Credit Score as it were. They seem frighteningly quick to torch their own reputations with IRL peers in order to score some cheap digs for the applause of a fully automated audience.

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            I think people on the left retreated because their ideals don’t involve violence and hate in the first place, so they just didn’t want to be tangled up in it. I’m only so motivated to interact with nazi scum, I’d much rather not, so yeah, they can have their spaces because I don’t have the mental capacity to live my life peacefully and also fight with idiots on the internet.

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              But you understand retreating gives Nazi scum access to more eyes and ears which grows louder and bolder nazi scum. Like you can choose to disengage but it’s only momentarily. It now isn’t just online, you’re probably seeing family and friends or coworkers or random conversations waiting for coffee that sound questionable. It’s easier to put a fire out when it’s smoulder then when it’s engulfing half the forest. You can walk away when it’s smouldering but it’s only going to grow

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                I know, but I also have a life, and I’m just trying to not be fucking angry all the time already, so no, I can’t fight every fucking moment, and currently it’s not the nazis agitating me, it’s you telling me I need to be angry. Don’t fucking tell me what I see with my own eyes in the world I fucking live in, Im quite aware, thanks, and I’d like to perseve as much peace in it as I can.

                Trust me when I say I have to fight on my own terms, if that’s not good enough for you, you can also rot with the nazis

                E: don’t take it personally, I’m more angry with the sentiment than with the person who says it, it ain’t you

                E2: Fuck you got me started LOL. Look, for clarity, I have spent my entire life as the angry righteous idealogue you want people to be, and let me tell you, it has produced nothing but misery in my life, so I’m disengaging with that part of me as best I can. If that’s my story, I imagine other people have similar experiences. Not every fight is with blood, some of them are with compassion and understanding. Those are the ones I want to fight until the bloody fight comes to me

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                  Lol I get it, so no need to apologize. I just think we did it all wrong. We get angry because something is missing from our approach. Like there’s some injustice. I’m not saying people need to be out there every day engaging with toxic assholes or bots. But I do think we all should recognize that not doing that, is helping the spread of these fuckers. One thing I noticed is people of the left had different goals and then people on the right and that burnt them out. The right approached online spaces like they were meeting friends to make fun of and pick on the left. The left was only reacting to things as they happened. They weren’t having fun with any of it.

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        He just legitmizes religion via decorated logical fallacies. The go-to intellectual for religious people.

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    Fun fact, I got banned from reddit the other day for saying something sarcastic. So I did the appeal thing, but all I said was “Fuck you, you fucking gaggle of cave brained cunts.” And… they reversed the ban. So I guess, they dont even bother reading whatever shit you write in the appeal, they just look at the comment and uphold or rescind the bot ban. Pricks.

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      I’m surprised they even looked. I’ve never cared about getting subreddit banned but was always careful to avoid a sitewide ban. Not one of my appeals was ever upheld.

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    I’m fairly certain linking Lemmy, even once, yields a shadow ban.

    I cant even make a new Reddit account for anything, even from a relatively new IP after moving.

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        Mmm, I don’t like that, as now I have no idea why I’m shadowbanned.

        And by that, I don’t mean “I don’t know why I was banned for all my outrageous spammy comments.” I literally only posted wholesome, inoffensive, thought out stuff in 2 subs: a cartoon fandom and a self hosting community.

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      Shadowbans are illegal in the EU. They are technically legal but require the user to be notified of it, which doesn’t make it a “shadowban” anymore.

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      Reddit tracks things like the hardware associated with an account so you’d need a new IP and new phone/computer and email adress.

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        I happened to move. And in theory, Cromite’s anti-fingerprinting should hide that, but it’s possible I accessed it with the wrong browser some time…

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      I can never block reddit. My go-to workflow for buying any product is usually:

      1. Perplexity / Claude: “what are some good recommendations for <productX>?”
      2. Skim what it writes, mentally note that it’s probably extrapolating from little data on <productX>
      3. Scroll down to the sources, click on the Reddit ones.
      4. Check that the date is somewhat reasonably in the past (+3yrs is always good)
      5. Scroll to that one single comment that provides insightful feedback

      This is why I never deleted my reddit accounts after I migrated – I just couldn’t throw away all of the hard written insightful comments I’d made there over ~15 years, and knew that an AI (and by extension future me) might find it beneficial.

      (I’m not against AI, I’m against what capitalism is doing with AI)

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        mine is r/nursing. there’s just not a significant enough presence of any healthcare workers let alone nurses specifically for me to properly commiserate with. Every once in a while I get into a mood to post some memes or otherwise engage but I get a few likes and maybe one comment at most and wind up giving up after a few days.

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        I don’t think they actually delete any of that stuff when you delete your account, though.

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        I’m not an anti AI zealot either, but frankly humans can skim search results and “link dive” way better than current LLMs can, if they’re familiar with the web.

        Sometimes I use GLM 4.6’s deep research mode with a link to go off as a supplement (I’d recommend that over Claude; it’s great! And open weights!), but 90% of the time just poking through Google/DDG with a filter to block SEO/AI spam yields better reviews. We can just parse more links and make better snap “credibility” judgements than LLMs can.

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        Genuinely curious, theoretically how valuable would a once and done service install of a private open source machine learning model on your local network that can do that skimming functionality be for you? A private box thats setup and just works? Is that even something people would want?

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          Very useful, especially for static pre-2022 information. If these models were <5GB in size, I’d happily have the model always sitting in memory on my raspberry Pi waiting for me to ask it something.

          For newer data though, you cannot beat the army of trawlers and the constant retraining that the commercial models offer… though given the nature of the steadily poisoned information sources post-2022, their effectiveness in this is steadily diminishing.

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      If it makes you feel better, not enough people who saw that movie recognize that the protagonists are the bad guys. So, it sort of comes out in the wash?

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        The movie doesn’t give you enough info. It’s just entertainment. All you know is Earth is being attacked by bugs and there’s sort of a desperation to beat them. The “draft” for citizenship is really the only indicator something is off about society.

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          You could listen to the teacher in the beginning. Or notice the constant jingoistic propaganda. Or watch any voice of reason be shouted down.

          To each their own but especially these days, it’s important to notice that the road to authoritarianism isn’t a wild swerve from thr status quo but a slow, gradual drift.

          Personally, I quite enjoy a movie that respects its audience enough to not have to have the bad guys murder babies for a reasonable viewer to catch on to the what’s going on.

          It was fine as a adumb tits n ass action movie when I was 12, realized “hey, this is an actual movie” in my 20s. And that’s fine, if it is somehow too subtle for people, well, so is authoritarianism.

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        It’s complicated by the fact that while the film is satirical, the book is not. And some critics criticized the skill by which the satire was made “Some critics, such as Roger Ebert and Owen Gleiberman, recognized the satire,[139][140][141] but often found that this commentary was indistinguishable from the promotion of the fascist utopia it was satirizing.” (Wikipedia)