On a related note, check out the Netflix show Pantheon.
Nice series but the answer to the question is “no, you didn’t transfer. The person you are a copy off is dead”.
Sounds similar to the film Moon (2009) I don’t want to spoil it too much but basically it explores what ifs related to creating clones and how capitalism might abuse the ability to create clones of a real person
Even if conscious, they’d be different consciousnesses. They’d think they were the same person but weren’t.
So you’d just bring conscious being into existence who have the same set personality because you decided to make them that way and then pointlessly torture them.
Sounds like what god would be if they/it existed to me.
I mean the cells in your body die and get replaced all the time are you even the same version of consciousness that you were last week?
Its impossible to know obviously. Generally I read that continuity is considered key to establishing that its the “same” but for all we know each time we go under anesthesia or sleep and wake up if we’re a new person. Or hell every planck second we’re a new person for all we know.
I have surgeries I want to get, and this is actually a major anxiety for me. Only real solace i have is i blinked in bed once and teleported 5 hours, which is similar to the feeling that those woken from anesthesia report
I get the argument, but you can’t even necessarily prove the original person was conscious, how would you demonstrate this?
We can’t even prove that when we go to sleep and wake up the next day that it’s the same entity going about our day instead of a new one that inherited all of the memories and everything else encoded in the brain.
Correct, and yet as far as I am aware, I keep existing consciously. I wouldn’t mind that hypothesis being correct some days lol
Sounds like the White Christmas episode of Black Mirror.
It wouldn’t be a
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What a delightful alternative to Roko’s Basilisk.
ooo, i like this version where the basilisk feasts on the digital consciousnesses of techbros and is content to leave the rest of us alone
I think this runs into the problem of consciousness as a philosophical question.
Humans have a habit of anthropomorphizing animals and even objects that they interact with routinely. My sister has named every car she’s owned, for instance. And she occasionally talks to them, particularly when they’re acting up or she’s stressed in traffic. Does the car have “consciousness” because she sees a pattern of function that she interprets as human behaviors?
At the same time, we tend to dehumanize real human beings who are outside our immediate social circle. We can be much ruder to phone support or sales callers than to family members or close friends or known coworkers engaging with us on the same terms. Racism and bigotry often leads people to denude people of different ethnicities or speaking foreign languages of their humanity.
The Turing Test would suggest the proof of consciousness is merely whether another human believes the thing they’re interacting with is conscious. But humans are terrible at making this kind of objective evaluation. If you program a computer to respond like a human, humans will sincerely engage with the computer as a human until the computer exhibits enough non-human flaws to dispel the illusion. At the same time, because humans regularly don’t treat other humans as human, what this means in practice could be outright sadistic behavior towards the computer.
All that is to say, it’s pretty clear that we’re gaslighting each other with the “AI is conscious” line, from a strict technical perspective. But from a practical perspective, its really going to boil down to whether the interactions we have with an AI system are the kind that form sympathetic bonds or the kind that provoke an uncanny valley or ethno-nationalist response.
As to your second paragraph, I have the explanation right here. Really old link, formatting is all jacked up, but bear with it. This is the most important thing I’ve ever read, explains much of human behavior:
https://www.cracked.com/article_14990_what-monkeysphere.html
Good old Dunbar’s number.
Incidentally, Jason Pargin’s got a pen name - David Wong - under which he writes the horror series “John Dies At the End”. He incorporates a lot of these themes in his books. “This Book Is Made of Spiders”, in particular, just bludgeons you over the head with the idea of in-groups and out-groups being used to manipulate society.
Remember that weird ass stream of WWE 13 that used AI players and generative programming for everything else?
It’s 2050 and they’re still only on The Sims 4… actually yeah that tracks
I’m not sure Saudi Arabia’s The Sims 4 is going to have trouble with immorality and toxic masculinity
Wow, The Sims 4 came out in 2014? I would have guessed another 5 or even 10 years earlier. Skyrim is older. Hell, even GTA V is older than The Sims 4.
At least we got another teaser for TES VI in 2043!
Because SIms 5 onwards is cloud gaming only and therefore cannot be modded, also the servers shut off so literally no one can play it anymore.
This is almost an already existing black mirror episode. It just wasn’t tech Bros, and they didn’t upload willingly.
Are you talking about white Christmas? One of the OG black mirror episodes.
No the star trek parody one.
I’m already tortured enough by existence. Why would I want to make an AI version of me so that someone can copy and paste 50,000 copies of a tortured soul?
Depressed people have babies all the time bro. Don’t let it stop you, follow your dreams.
Zuckerberg wondering why he can’t find the ladder for this pool.
The Sims needs an “I have no mouth and I must scream” expansion.
That’s just Roller Coaster Tycoon.
“I just made hotdogs $.25. Let the killing begin.”
toilets are $50 a poop? i’ll just go in line
I imagine it as a mod for RimWorld.
There are so many more options there and it’s already a war crime simulator. I have whole prisons of captured raiders that couldn’t be described accurately if Harlan Ellison and Upton Sinclair collaborated with Lovecraft to invent the most terrible grinder of misery while they freebased paranoia from the hollowed out skull of Caligula.
The creator (Tynan) already inserts his own character among many Kickstarter donors to face the barely imaginable horrors I cook up in my misery science research facility, I can probably be more creative for people that actually deserve it.
I need to get this game
I built a maximum security prison in the Sims, I tried making a graveyard but it kinda messed up the neighbourhood.
I’ve also got your standard painting trolls and basement creatures.
People keep reconnecting rimworld to me though
It’s really worth the buy. Vanilla is fun on its own, but there are also expansions that change how pawns and factions interact for role playing purposes through a modifiable belief system, one expansion that makes it more Lovecrafty, and an expansion that gives you a lot of new technology.
None of those are necessary if they’re not up your alley, but if space survival plus any of those things sounds more fun to you, the expansion(s) would probably be worth buying.
This whole thread is full of great references. I haven’t read that horror story in forever.
So who’s drowning them by deleting the pool steps.
Although to be honest that always bothered me as a kid, why don’t they just get out of the pool, I don’t need the steps to get out of the pool why do they need the steps. Also why does deleting doors suddenly fill the wall in.
You should read the Cask of Amontillado to answer your question about doors
I just finished SOMA, great game. Highly recommend getting it for the storyline as well as the big questions it presents.
Mandalore Gaming just did his review of it as well. Its fresh in a lot of peoples brain space.
SOMA is a bit of a mindfuck and I loved it.
I’ve had this in my library for eons and still haven’t played it… is it in the same canon as the Outlast series? I don’t want to get 90% in and feel obliged to play another game before I finish it like I did with Control.
Also have it in my library but didn’t play it for at all. All I know is that it’s similar to amnesia and that’s why I got it I think. Perhaps I should play it. Let me know how you like the game when you play it.
I’d rather load them into Dungeon Keeper as bile demons, but this will work I guess.
Isn’t the key take away here that the .tar.gz format is still going strong in 2025.
Tarball is love. Tarball is life.
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