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    You unconditionally support a genocide for just two years and suddenly you’re a “war criminal.” So much for the tolerant left.

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        She had complete control over her own campaign platform, where she chose to be in lockstep with Biden.

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          This. It’s up to the politician to build a platform that gets as many votes as possible. The DNC and Harris choose to ignore their base, shout down the Muslim vote, and took more money from special interests groups than Republicans.

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          I wouldn’t say that, she was beholden to the party donors that would have stopped sending money to all of the corporate Dems if she had a different stance. Biden also wasn’t going to let her distance herself on any of his stances. It was a lose-lose situation from a messaging perspective.

          The more ethical choice would have been to have stop taking the big donor money and to have distanced herself from Biden’s stance, but likely still would have lost by doing that given she was trying to win over the average swing state voter.

          Personally, I think looking forward, that the corporate Dems that are taking money from pro-Israel PACs should be told they can either keeping taking those donations and be primaried, or they can stop and they will have the support of the voters. Ideally we want progressives but convincing the the corporate Dems to not put money first does matter.

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        Enough to have a backbone? To stand on morality? No one made her back genicide. Like the fuck we talking about?

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          Nothing you said answers the question. What specific actions do you think Harris can take as VP to stop what POTUS is intending to do?

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            It doesn’t matter. Even more so the less power she had to change the situation. All she had to do while vp was say was I don’t support, agreed with, nor play a part in the genicide happening in Palestine. She could have said during the campaign that she would stop all weapons going to Isreal and that she’d hand over anyone that helped kill innocent people. She has nothing to lose. Her silence proved she wasn’t ready to be president. If she can’t stand up to special interest groups with no real skin in the game, do you think she’ll magically gain morality once in power? And additionally, what a dumb political move that is ultimately! Not a single vote was gained by backing Isreal, because Republicans were going to back them anyways. Pro genicide people aren’t going to vote Democrat, full stop. She was more afraid of losing money rather than the election.

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    Good for that protestor. Look at that dumb smug bribe-taking loser smiling on stage. What a waste.

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    The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.

    Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign. (regardless of whether anyone thinks it should have been that way or not, IMO that was the death blow)

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      Where she blew it was when she said she wouldn’t do anything different than Biden. That was the end for her campaign.

      iirc her campaign said “the Biden people” demanded she say that.

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        She wasn’t required to listen to the biden people. The biden people hid his mental decline until it was too late. Their political instincts are runny dogshit just like their entire wing of the party.

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        So either she should have not made that promise or she should have broken it. Easy enough. It’s not like she didn’t know what was on the line.

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          I think that’s a hindsight sort of thing. Of course she should have. But we all know the answer.

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        Obviously, as I said, I’m talking about power to decide policy. The VP (as it has been for all of them, not just her) can advise, try to persuade, but it’s the POTUS who makes the final decisions.

        The VP can’t override the POTUS on anything. That’s just a fact.

        There are lots of replies conflating that fact with the positions she took during her campaign. She was obviously totally responsible for positions she took in the campaign. I’m not sure Trump wouldn’t have still won no matter what positions she took, but we’ll never know. Point is, she took the positions she did, and she lost.

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        Agreed…Also, if she had no power and is not responsible for anything Bidens government did, how is she at all capable of doing the job of the president? her qualifications were that she was a fly on the wall and observed others, but didnt participate in any meaningful way, huh. She simultaneously blameless and had no power, but also the most experienced, most qualified to do the job and the only one the DNC could possibly put up against trump. What a fuckin joke of a party.

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      The VP has basically no power other than try to persuade the POTUS behind the scenes, which from what I’ve read, she did to some degree, but to no effect.

      The POTUS didn’t dictate her positions during the campaign. Stop making excuses just because she supported genocide for you.

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      Yeah, she was going to become a war criminal, but the voters let her down.

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    Where exactly is she shaken?

    I only see her standing up for a splitsecond and then a smirk at the end.

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    She is absolutely right wing, but I don’t think she has ever had enough authority to be a war criminal.

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      First off, I want to be clear that I’m not making excuses for Kamala. This is more of a tangent, but people should know that even though it seems weird, smiling is a natural stress response for some folks.

      The instance that is seared into my memory is when I got the phone call that there was an earthquake in the country where my sibling was staying and we hadn’t yet heard from her (she ended up being ok). No matter how tried to fight it, my face couldn’t help but twist into a grin. It kinda fucked me up. Like: “What is my body trying to tell me?” “Do I subconsciously want them to die?” It was only years later that I found out that this is normal. Looking back, I think it especially sucks for kids who can’t help it, can’t explain it, and get the “Do you think this is funny!” treatment.

      Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.

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        I dothat, so I hear you. But her grin seems pretty relaxed, if not smug

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        Anyway, if you find yourself or someone else in a similar situation, please don’t judge too harshly.

        She supports genocide. She gets no benefit of the doubt. She was smiling because she was trying to contain laughter.

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        No, this is definitely the smile of i do not take you seriously. Kamala is paid by aipac and promised to continue giving billions to maintain settler colonialism

        All her jobs required stress management you can’t convince me that she is stressed for a random perdon screaming at her. This is definitely not similar to someone panicing because of an earthquake

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            Why are you deflecting we are talking about Harris here. If she can’t handle people she shouldn’t do public event.

            You just an Harris worshiper