Always was curious what the deal with the alarming amount of Roman and military memes that pop up.
That shit is just such a bizarre fetish of some people.
Whole groups of men dressed in skirts that only want to spend time with other men in skirts?
Have you not seen the ones with the Roman anime girls? Some really messed up shit. Lots of racism and sexism with a dash of kink.
Always was curious what the deal with the alarming amount of Roman and military memes that pop up.
I mean, on here, it’s… it’s probably mostly me.
… I post a lot.
And we thank you for it.
So can you explain what’s with the anime girl roman memes with all the sexism and racism?
I also don’t get the fetish that the people over in non credible defence have either. War, guns and killing glorified and memed. So bizarre.
So can you explain what’s with the anime girl roman memes with all the sexism and racism?
As I said below
Mostly it’s just absurdist jokes and memes by a Filipino Romaboo with a terminal case of Horny.
Centurii-chan is internet-overdosed, that’s for damn sure, but unless “Being terminally horny” is sexism, I don’t think I see it. As for racism, there are certainly some edgy jokes, and Centurii-chan doesn’t always take racism as seriously as they should, but I don’t think I’ve seen anything that’s degrading towards PoC. Which, itself, would be a little weird, considering the artist is, themselves, most likely a PoC.
I also don’t get the fetish that the people over in non credible defence have either. War, guns and killing glorified and memed. So bizarre.
Many people in NCD, or at least the original (especially pre-Ukraine War) NCD, were vets or involved in the defense industry at some point in their lives. Some were bitter, some were cheerfully detached, but in both cases, humor over the absurdity of the military and fascination with military engineering were uniting features. Many of them were… bizarrely knowledgeable on military engineering and specs, both modern and historical. An attraction to those with a certain hyperfixation, one might say.
Military engineering is impressive and militaries the world-round are likewise full of fascinating absurdities - interests I share with that original demographic, even though I have never been a part of the defense industry or in the military.
Centurii-chan is internet-overdosed, that’s for damn sure, but unless “Being terminally horny” is sexism, I don’t think I see it. As for racism, there are certainly some edgy jokes, and Centurii-chan doesn’t always take racism as seriously as they should, but I don’t think l’ve seen anything that’s degrading towards PoC.
Will have to heavily disagree with that one. Either someone is stealing the characters and making more hateful content because I have certainly seen ones that are absolutely disgusting. Genital mutilation, cannibalism, rape, racism, all put onto this perverse kink pedestal. Historically accurate or not it’s fucking nasty creating that kind of content.
Military engineering is impressive and militaries the world-round are likewise full of fascinating absurdities - interests I share with that original demographic, even though I have never been a part of the defense industry or in the military.
You know what other kind of engineering is impressive? Every other kind that doesn’t involve the military industrial complex and tools designed to kill the most people possible. Sowing machines, bridges, submarines, aqueducts, anything that doesn’t actively make the world a worse place.
Hyper fixation or not some things are messed up to be so obsessed over.
Genital mutilation, cannibalism, rape, racism, all put onto this perverse kink pedestal.
Definitely not the Centurii-chan I’ve seen, and I follow their art. The worst of their’s I’ve seen are some jokes about colonization that could be seen as in bad taste, and a joke about people using slurs when playing multiplayer games.
Hyper fixation or not some things are messed up to be so obsessed over.
Uh, okay.
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I’d be cautious of any users participating in roman meme or military meme communities. It’s a big red flag.
It is not. I can be interested in history & military history without being alt right.
And as another user said, i doubt the romanmemes or historymemes communities here would tolerate it.
Fuck, I guess I’m glad I didn’t follow the history memes to the new instance. I thought all the romaboo stiff was just nerds being silly.
It is. There’s very little right presence on the fediverse still. And I don’t think pug would humor them if they tried.
On Lemmy at least I find the right are cowards who like to pretend to be liberals while they quietly dog whistle their takes.
It’s hard to tell how many there are, because they’re not out in the open.
It seems like you haven’t seen any evidence of them but still believe they’re here?
No, I’ve seen them around. I don’t have evidence on their numbers, same as you.
Yeah the anime girl Roman memes are certainly the cherry on top the crazy cake. Some incredibly weird and hateful fetishes were in some of those.
I could not for the life of me figure out what those were kicking on about
Mostly it’s just absurdist jokes and memes by a Filipino Romaboo.
It is, we don’t tolerate fascists or their apologists in the HistoryMeme or RoughRomanMemes comms.
Dumb take.
Fascists also breath air and drink water. Those red flags, too? A lot of people find rome interesting. You can see this across history - look at US government buildings. It’s a roman aesthetic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aestheticization_of_politics
Tl;Dr Mussolini was obsessed with recreating a false, idealized past that in Italy’s case was the Roman Empire. An obsession with Rome is a warning sign of fascist ideology because that’s what actual fascism is obsessed with, as are basically all Western fascists because of Rome’s historical relevance to basically all of Europe and the Mediterranean.
It’s just not a sure sign, simply because it is a fascinating topic with plenty to dissect on any point of view.
If they’re also bitching and moaning about masculinity and heirarchy you’ve got a winner for sure though (a la your Jordan Peterson types)
Sure…the leader whose territory literally used to be Rome might also have the interest. Not remotely a telling sign, though.
Your ignorance is pretty goddamn laughable tbh
Says the dummy trying to paint with a broadbrush anyone interested in the Roman aesthetic as being an authoritarian.
Enjoy your bigotry.
Lol, illiterate as well I see
Their kindred love of lead poisoning
I think that male-supremacism/mysoginy is the common-principle, underlying Roman Empire cult & the alt-right.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/1369118X.2024.2445637#abstract
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Romans saw sex mainly through a lens of power and domination. They were okay with a man of higher standing penetrating a man of lower social status but if it happened the other way around, the high status man would suffer loss of his masculine honor. With a similar mindset, older men would mentor adolescent men and it was acceptable to engage in sexual acts with them (pederasty).
Its interesting because its not entirely homophobic but still a disturbing way to see the world.
The Kama Sutra was written at around this time and acknowledges same sex marriages as legitimate however, additionally, Vātsyāyana writes positively about sex workers (advising men how to engage with them respectfully) and heavily emphasizes female pleasure (with specific emphasis on female agency and consent), going as far to say it is crucial to living a fulfilling and meaningful life for both partners.
When the text was transmitted to the West they took out all that “political” stuff and focussed on sex positions.
Romans saw sex mainly through a lens of power and domination. They were okay with a man of higher standing penetrating a man of lower social status but if it happened the other way around, the high status man would suffer loss of his masculine honor. With a similar mindset, older men would mentor adolescent men and it was acceptable to engage in sexual acts with them (pederasty).
Can’t speak as to the Kama Sutra, but this is partly correct and partly incorrect. For Romans, sex was definitely seen through a lens of power and domination, but it was never okay for a Roman citizen in good standing to be penetrated by anyone, higher status or lower. In theory, at least; in practice there is considerable deviation from this ‘ideal’. The idea of mentoring adolescent men whilst in a sexual relationship was a Greek practice.
This is not to say that the Romans did not engage in pederasty - unfortunately, they certainly did in some scenarios. But there was no mentor element involved. Even at the height of Roman same-sex practices, the prevailing relationship standards were of a dominant and submissive male (often younger, and either provincial, an infamis, foreign, or enslaved), a ‘in-the-closet’ style affair, or of a husband and a male ‘wife’, which, at least to observers, partly conformed to sexual gender roles even if it (disturbingly, to traditional Romans) preserved the notion of citizenship and masculinity of the ‘wife’.
Notably, the ultraconservative Roman dictator Sulla retired to a nice Mediterranean island with his lifelong boytoy, the actor (actors were considered infames, along with prostitutes and gladiators) Metrobius; the Emperor Titus was noted to have a number of male ‘favorites’ who were actors whose association lasted long enough that he had to give them up when he became Emperor after his father’s ~10 years of rule - suggesting that, at the very least, they were probably not all teens by the time Titus gave up bussy for the dignitas of the Res Publica. Interestingly, the short-lived (and himself somewhat older) Emperor Galba, a bit of a curmudgeon, was noted to have a preference for ‘hard-bodied’ men in early middle-age. The only recorded Roman daddy appreciator.
Some of the material is lost, some is simply unrecorded, and some we have only glimpses into, but on the whole, Roman sexuality is an incredibly multifaceted and alien subject.
Very interesting stuff about the Kama Sutra. I should probably read up on sexuality in pre-modern India sometime, but I have so many goddamn books to read and so little focus to do it with. XD
This is likely one of those cases of X is Y but not all Y are X. Roman history memes can be amusing for anyone.
Being obsessed with Roman and/or WWII history is a red flag, but not a conclusive indicator (unless the obsession with WWII involves praising Nazis).
#NotAllRomanMemes
staning Rome has always been a fash tradition.
tbf, it was just a general Western tradition until the fash made it weird.
i think you’re right, it was modern fascism (Mussolini), which used Roman imagery in other to return to glory.
I guess by always, I meant a bit less than a century
Fascists are obsessed with power and heirarchy in general, the more idealized the better for their purposes. When it’s not Rome it’s the Knights Templar, the Tsardoms, Making America Great Again, whatever.
Rome is a common trend though, in large part because it’s instantly recognizable and imminently influential on practically every western culture.
Reminds me of the biblical scenes from A Clockwork Orange. Some people think history is neat and the Romans had alot of history. Some people wish they could conquer Gaul and own sex slaves.
Paging @PugJesus
Oh is he alt-right?
No. He’s a history nerd regularly posting history nerd shit for our own enjoyment.
He just loves Roman history, WW2 history, the space fascist future of 40k, and criticizing the past sins of socialism more than the rise of fascism while completely ignoring all sins of capitalism.
It’s fine I’m sure. Just a turbolib. He believes in democracy. Probably.
He just loves Roman history
As I said, a history nerd.
WW2 history
Uh…what ? So still a nerd but for some reason we’re making a leap between ancient history and WW2 and skipping over all the medieval history content he’s posting. Sure, I guess.
the space fascist future of 40k
So a massive nerd. Painting tiny figurines under a magnifying glass and battling other nerds with measuring tape is top tier nerd shit not pining for fascism shit, although these people exist and are extra visible when they reveal themselves I’ve yet to meet one IRL in 26 years interacting with 40K nerds.
and criticizing the past sins of socialism more than the rise of fascism while completely ignoring all sins of capitalism. It’s fine I’m sure. Just a turbolib. He believes in democracy. Probably.
So he never said or done anything warranting to insult the guy of being far right, but you imply he might be guilty of thought crime for not showing enough leftist credentials to satisfy your own personal standards. And somehow this whole gratuitous character assassination is ok because you made it quippy at the end ? Yikes.
Fucking lol, stay gullible.
He just loves Roman history,
True.
WW2 history,
What? WW2 history is one of the less common things I post or talk about. About the only place it comes up regularly is in historical photos, and even then that’s mostly because it’s a well-photographed war.
the space fascist future of 40k,
… I didn’t realize being a 40k fan who thinks space dystopia is a space dystopia was all that exceptional.
and criticizing the past sins of socialism more than the rise of fascism while completely ignoring all sins of capitalism.
I guess all my constant criticisms of capitalism and the rise of fascism are being ignored in this analysis?
It’s fine I’m sure. Just a turbolib. He believes in democracy. Probably.
Turbolib is when you advocate for harm reduction, and the more harm reduction you advocate for in a society where even the vast majority of the proletariat are hostile towards the idea of socialism, the more turbolib you are?
Forgive me for thinking that national changes need the consensus of the people, a task we as leftists must work towards; I’m sure your holsum vanguard party will perform a successful coup any day now.
What they said.
No, the other part
I think he’s piefed.social if you want to summon him and probably would get a kick out of this.
I wish I knew how to do that. I abandoned reddit just so many others as soon as they started their API nonsense, so I’m really just here for the memes. And yes, he would enjoy it greatly.
Same here, I miss it sometimes, but Voyager has a nice system for tagging folks. Looks like the sintax is [@ UserName @ host.instance (https://host.instance/u/user )] . Remove spaces
@PugJesus@piefed.social PJ sorry for the somewhat out of context, but Argues here wanted you to see the overall thread.
Brilliant, thanks! I apologize for my incompetent manner. I use Connect only because as I fled reddit, it was probably the first Google result lol.
Seen and summoned 🙏
Why do you think those losers always side with the Legion in Fallout New Vegas?
Probably the misogyny and the totalitarianism.
Unforgivable
Me, a Romaboo, walking into Edward Sallow’s tent with a .50 cal rifle with explosive rounds hidden in my prison-pocket:
I WAS READY TO SERVE THE CHIEF ROMABOO OF THE WASTES UNTIL I SAW WHAT HE WAS MAKING
HE SHAMES THE MEMORY OF THE RES PVBLICA
Because fascism was literally based on imitating a deliberately misunderstood Roman Empire?
The deliberate misunderstanding of the Roman Empire necessitates a pre-existing worldview through which to misunderstand it.
Really? !roughromanmemes@piefed.social seems to be mostly made of history nerds posting mostly stuff like this.
I’m definitely progressive in the vast majority of my political leanings and still enjoy memes about historical happenings from a modern perspective
OF THIS I AM ASSURED
More seriously, there is a strange attachment of fascists to the Roman Empire. A big part of this is that, before the 1930s, nearly everyone with an education in the West was, in effect, either a Graecoboo or a Romaboo. When the fascists came about, first in the 1920s, and then in the 30s, they leaned hard into the Roman aesthetic, both because of its expansionist implications and the symbolism that retained great influence in the pre-existing societies they sought to manipulate. This… both discredited a lot of Roman symbolism amongst non-fascists, and gave fascists a lasting taste for the symbolism, since it was used in the only period the fucks had real power over a significant portion of the world.
However, RoughRomanMemes, both the original on R*ddit (sadly could not convince the other mods to check out the Fediverse at the time of the original exodus, though I also wasn’t super-close with them) and the one on here ran by me, are ardently anti-fascist.
Rome was (largely) doing the best it could with the limited material and philosophical resources it had - we love that! Show me those proto-rights, that early rise in living standards, that conception of universal humanity! I’m here to share a shit-sponge with my fellow plebs and talk about the grain dole!
Fascists are universally doing the worst they can with all the material and philosophical resources of human history at their goddamn fingertips - fuck them.
See the “Roman salute”. Not actually Roman, but instead invented for a film about Romans. Italian fascists liked it and adopted it. Then the Nazis liked it and adopted it from the Italian fascists.
It doesn’t matter that it’s not actually Roman, it’s still something that the fascists can do in order to pretend to be Roman.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_the_Horatii
TIL
Invented for a painting, but your point stands.
Yes, thank you. Not invented for a film, but the film is where the fascists took it from.
You have my xylospongium.
Beautiful
I made and posted one about Cincinnatus a while back, giga chad perfect roman simply isn’t interested in seizing ultimate power. He’ll rather end your ass and go back to his farming
Really?
No. The link is to a ~6 year old advertisement. The author interviewed was using weird American culture war bullshit from 2019 to try to get you to buy their book.
Nuts to that. History belongs to all of us, and anyone can poke fun at the Romans if they want to.
Said the guy pretending all Roman memes are about “poking fun at them” lol
Well, it’s lemmy.
Just a few more because these are pretty great
Salad Man did so much for us 😭
So many innovative salads that will never be 😭
Caesar salad is just another thing that the white man stole from a person of color. Now everyone thinks it was Julius that made the salad instead of some rando from Mexico. What fools we have become.
It’s a meme based on widespread misconception. Chill out bro.
I thought almost everyone had a mild obsession with Romans
Turns out the mild obsession was really with tits.
I think they were evil. They kind of invented the idea of conquering other civilizations, and were not cool about it at all
The world would probably be a much better place without them
Don’t say that in front of the Shahansha
I don’t disagree with you on the evilness that is involved with pretty much all conquering imperial powers (whether it’s an empire or republic backing it), but Rome didn’t invent that. They made some advancements in military tactics, strategies, and logistics. But conquest was done before them.
Alexander the great had an empire that rivaled Rome’s side when he died (and there are other example in recorded history of it being done earlier, like in Egypt, Gilgamesh, and many others). And even the whole “you can keep your culture as long as you join the empire” was done by Persia before Rome did it.
You have a very Euro-centric view of the world.
We’re literally talking about “the West” right now… The whole damn conversation is euro-central
They kind of invented the idea of conquering other civilizations,
I, uh, got some really bad news for you about the pre-Roman world
No one really did conquering - they would take land, take slaves, occasionally take buildings
But Vikings were Vikings, even if they occupy a settlement, the people of the settlement do not become Vikings
When Rome conquered a place, they’d levy most of the men into the legion, and when they finished their service they became Roman
That’s not true about Danish colonization that happened to huge swaths of English and France, the whole Norman conquest of England was due to a Danish man having technically had a claim to the English throne because his dad was a Danish colonize of England.
Ok? When did the English become Danish? And the French?
Nobility was totally interrelated in Europe. This is just a thing that happened, it’s not the machinery of empire
Ok? When did the English become Danish?
… do you know where the term ‘English’ comes from?
Can you point to me on a map where the Anglo-Saxons came from?
Do you know what a ‘Briton’ is?
Easy.
The Anglo-Saxons originated from a mix of tribes from northern Germany and southern Scandinavia, primarily the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes. They began settling in Britain around 410 AD, following the decline of Roman rule, and their culture significantly influenced the development of early medieval England.
Notice how they displaced the original population. The British are the resulting mix. They did not become Dutch or proto-German, but they did use Roman roads and still have Roman structures
Bruh, you’re thinking about Fallout, not Ancient Rome
Bruh, where do you think fiction cames from? It’s like 99% shit that has already happened, exaggerated and twisted in new ways
No one really did conquering - they would take land, take slaves,
… that’s what conquest is.
But Vikings were Vikings, even if they occupy a settlement, the people of the settlement do not become Vikings
… only because the Vikings were typically small numbers of warriors? And post-Roman, for that matter.
When Rome conquered a place, they’d levy most of the men into the legion, and when they finished their service they became Roman
That’s… not how it works.
First, the Legions were for citizens only. Non-citizens were not permitted to enlist.
Second, the Auxiliaries, what you’re probably thinking of, were partly conscripted, but mostly volunteer, and very selective about their recruits. In no reality would they have taken most of the men of a region.
Third, the process of Romanization was gradual and largely unenforced - the Romans did not care if the native provincials became Romans or kept their native culture. The Romans, in fact, held a worldview wherein other peoples were better at certain things than the Romans, and that this was a good thing, because it meant Rome could organize their superior efforts for the greater good of the Republic.
Fourth, most regions after Roman conquest retained a great deal of self-government, as the Romans did not want the trouble of overturning local practices, unless they interfered with something like collecting taxes.
Fifth, Roman conquest was rarely so simple as “The Romans have conquered this place now” - there were often many graduations of Roman control which regions went through, and few regions had the same journey. The moment of conquest you’re imagining, where the Legions march through after putting the enemy’s armies and leaders to the sword, is not very common.
Sixth, the process of ethnic cleansing and assimilation are both widely attested to in the pre-Roman world, by peoples much more brutal about it than the Romans.
You’re describing what I said with more words
The difference between Vikings (or wherever else, they’re just an example) and Romans is the assimilation. That’s why there were so many more Romans, because they constantly expanded what it meant to be Roman. There were concentric circles of Roman-ness starting with just the city inhabitants down to the newly conquered territory at the fringes
Also, Rome was around for a long time. Their practices changed drastically during that time. It ranged from much worse than what I described to completely peaceful assimilation.
But my real problem wasn’t the violence, it’s the wealth extraction… That model lived on through the holy Roman empire, then “the West”. There’s so many horrible knock on effects to this, ones we’re living through now
You’re describing what I said with more words
“Romans were the first to do conquest.”
“No, they weren’t.”
“You’re just saying what I said.”
???
The difference between Vikings (or wherever else, they’re just an example) and Romans is the assimilation.
… do… do you think pre-Roman peoples didn’t practice assimilation?
That’s why there were so many more Romans, because they constantly expanded what it meant to be Roman. There were concentric circles of Roman-ness starting with just the city inhabitants down to the newly conquered territory at the fringes
By the time that people on the fringes of the Empire were considered Romans, Romans had lost the cultural hegemony necessary for assimilation, which makes this a very dubious claim.
Also, Rome was around for a long time. Their practices changed drastically during that time. It ranged from much worse than what I described to completely peaceful assimilation.
I can honestly think of no period of Roman history in which the scenario you described was the norm.
But my real problem wasn’t the violence, it’s the wealth extraction… That model lived on through the holy Roman empire, then “the West”. There’s so many horrible knock on effects to this, ones we’re living through now
…
… do you think wealth extraction doesn’t predate the Romans? For that matter, you think the HRE is more rooted in Roman practice than Germanic practice? For that matter, you think the West demonstrates the most horrific form of wealth extraction in the modern day?
… do… do you think pre-Roman peoples didn’t practice assimilation?
Yes! That’s my whole point. Not literally - you seem caught up on the word conquest too - but the kind of institutional pattern of expansion and assimilation is what was different about Rome
There was war, there were other empires. People intermingled and intermixed, sometimes under rule from another group. There was assimilation, but in an organic process
Rome industrialized the process. They turned it into a mechanical process that has never stopped. It didn’t stop when the empire split, it didn’t stop when power shifted to the aristocracy of Europe, it didn’t stop as America rose as the latest empire after WW2
I do think the HRE was more Rome than Germanic - what language did they speak? Not Greek, Aramaic, or any Germanic language - it was Latin. And in the East you had the Byzantine empire doing the same damn thing, spreading soft influence to Eastern Europe
Christianity became a tool of Rome under Constantine. Jesus said we don’t need temples or coin. Jesus was born in the summer. Jews keep the Sabbath on Saturday. Jesus was represented by a fish, and died on the cross so that he could not be used as a tool of control against his people
Sol Invictus was born on December 25, Constantine declared the day of the sun as the day of rest. Sol Invictus is associated with gold. The cross is a symbol of Roman order
Constantine rebranded the Roman religion under Jesus’s name, and carefully picked it’s practices to control the people
The HRE kept control over the aristocracy through marriage, ceremony, and through relatives in the clergy. They let the kings have their kingdom while controlling the secret little club of European royalty. They held the legitimacy of all of them in Rome.
They also controlled the people directly. They were a parallel power structure. They had a ton of direct power until the 19th century, when things started shifting to mercantilism then capitol
And even now, a few family lines always seem to be the ones in power. The meeting places and the titles change, but each rising and falling empire goes back to Rome
I mean, they’re kinda neat but I don’t consider them all that important to modern day life.
I prefer to romanticize the three kingdoms period of China.
Are orgies and homo sex in style again?
No just human trafficking
Unfortunately this makes sense - the original Italian and German fascists were also obsessed with it.
Fascism weaponizes history by creating a narrative about past greatness that was lost because [ENEMY] took it away from them.
So for Italians, the Roman Empire was their past greatness for fascists (and where they got the name fascist from). For Germany, it makes less sense, but in their version of history ,the Holy Roman Empire was the “First Reich” so there’s somewhat a connection there.
For American fascists it makes less sense. While some Americans can trace their ethnicity to Italy (and therefore the Roman Empire) it doesn’t seem to be an Italian American thing. Probably it’s just due to Romans being ridiculously misogynistic and liking the aesthetics of it.
That explains why they hate my reaction to seeing a cybertruck. I hold my thumb out horizontally, until I know I have their attention. I then rotate it to a thumbs down. The sheer amount of road rage, at having had ancient roman iconography against them, warms the cold dead cockles of my heart.
👍
No, 👎. Lol
Only tidbit I have about that is the thumbs down meant you weren’t allowed to kill the person despite how the movies play it but I didn’t take latin long enough to confirm that.
That’s correct, but I suspect they either don’t know that, or are the type that wouldn’t see that as approval for a good fight, but would see it as the denial of their “righteous kill.”
If only we could throw those criminals against basic decency and aesthetics to the lions, like the good old days!
Or at least enter the Cybertruck in a demolition derby so it can serve some purpose.
Mythologized history to serve their racist worldview:
Right, ancient Greece and Rome were actually quite diverse and the concept of “whiteness” didn’t have much meaning thousands of years ago. Race, as we know it, is a fairly recent category. But the far-right relies on this construct of Western civilization, which for them means white civilization and culture. So they craft a narrative that begins with Greece and Rome and then continues into the medieval period up through the emergence of modern Europe.
What’s funny is Rome and Greece (and probably every other ancient culture) mythologized their origin history, too, due to lack of history records from that far back, or just by plain human nature. Nothing new under the sun.
Edit: I meant the more human-centric origin myths, e.g. like the Romans believing they were totally the decendants of Aeneas and the Trojans fleeing Troy’s destruction.
No. No. They were really decended from gods and raised by wolves. /S
Honestly the best explanations for Greek and thus Roman myth is a mix of patrical worship (story from dad, become from grandpa, from great grandpa, from ancestor, from the ancient, from myth, mixed with ruling caste families becomes our mythos).
That mixed with stories about concepts war, beauty, death, getting personified for story sake but then with enough personality now the afterlife is married and has a dog because his wife is on business trips all the time.
No. No. They were really decended from gods and raised by wolves. /S
Funny thing is, one of the key parts of Roman legend was also that their city was founded by a bunch of literal criminals and exiles that no one else wanted, and this was a theme that they constantly returned to - both positively (as in referring to the wisdom of Romulus in accepting outsiders of merit, whatever their reputation) and negatively (as in referring to Rome as the ‘cesspit of Romulus’, a place of base realities instead of high-minded ideals).
I meant the more human-centric origin myths, e.g. like the Romans believing they were totally the decendants of Aeneas and the Trojans fleeing Troy’s destruction.
