I can see it mattering if it’s shift work and someone else has to stay late. If it’s office work? Nah. Doesn’t matter.
If there is no buffer for shift changes, they’re doing it wrong. Just in time is a bad model in general, but it’s horrible mismanagement for scheduling shifts.
Exactly. It also matters what type of shift work. If you’re late to a hospital nursing shift, that sucks because you can’t do the changeover stuff and they’ve been there 12 hours. Or if you’re the only one taking phone calls in the morning or something. In sane a world, there would be room for decent folks as well as folks who are always on time.
decent folks as well as folks who are always on time.
Decent folks are always on time, as they value your time the same as theirs.
This is the number one mistakes that dumbfucks make about decent folks, hence why I said it that way.
I haven’t met a decent person that is perpetually late. Nor one that calls me a dumbfuck.
They probably meant descent. As in the fall of society.
Haha. True
the last 5 jobs I spend the first half an hour fucking around making coffee and stuff
Depends on the situation. Meeting up with friends? I wouldn’t blink at them being 10 minutes late. Opening shift at a cafe? 10 minutes would put me so far behind I’d be in big trouble.
As a medic, I don’t think being late to work would go over well with the public either. Being 10 minutes late to work would could mean Grandma is going to be dead.
But I guess it don’t mean nothing if you are working at Walmart or answering a phone.
Good thing that dying grandma waited for your shift to start.
And also if you’re opening a cafe in the morning, and you’re late, you are directly harming the place that employs you. Customers will be waiting yo!
I’m a millennial and I show up an hour and a half late and I think it’s fine. I DO put all my hours in so I leave later but whatever.
Also, just get some serious dirt on your piece of shit boss and you’re golden. Fuck em’.
Gen X reporting.
Be like Gandalf. Fuck all that other noise.
That has worked well for me. Pro tip: be hard to replace and they’ll have to deal.
I consider someone being hard to replace as a problem that may or may not be their fault. If they’re actively hoarding knowledge and skills, it’s better to bite the bullet.
Personally, I try to make myself unnecessary in my roles by empowering my people. If they can’t operate without me being arbitrarily absent for a month, I’ve fucked up.
Surely you’re hard to replace since you do a great job in your role.
I’m in a similar boat, my team can do just fine without me and I make sure they can do well without any of them, but I would be hard pressed to replace most of them because they’re really good at what they do. Nobody works extra hours, and people go home early if they’re not feeling productive, and the work gets done on time almost every time.
I think I’m hard to replace for similar reasons. We’ve gone through 2 others in a similar position as my own and went over a year looking for one before we found the third. I’m not worried about my position going away since my boss seems to like our work ethic.
I mean it’s really just a ledger of excuses to fire you when needed
Better tip: unionize
Being hard to replace is arbitrary and random.
Eh, not necessarily. Higher skill jobs tend to be harder to replace, especially if you’re really good at something specific to the company you work for.
It’s hard to get there any maybe not worth it (my comment was a bit tongue in cheek, like “don’t be unattractive”).
everyone is replaceable if management is out of touch enough
won’t save my job but lol if they are ever dumb enough to fire me
I was manager at my last job. My shift of guys ran well without me needing to hand hold them. They knew I would be in within a 30 min window. I was there for more than 8 hours and available by email or text about 18 hours a day 6 days a week so me showing up at 1130pm or 12:05am didn’t matter much.
If I start 10 minutes late I work 10 minutes later. Only I am affected by being late. It’s not a big deal.
Same here. There’s a few set hours of the day we have to be there but otherwise so long as you get your 40 hours in over the course of the week you’re alright. In all the office jobs I’ve worked there wasn’t really such a thing as “being late” or even being late back from lunch
Do they minder if i stay longer? No? Then why complain when I’m late?
Its about the whole picture, am I always late? Is my work done on time and well executed ?
If so… WHO CARES ABOUT THE TIME OR PLACE I DO THAT WORK IN???
You’re also there to please the mentally ill manager.
If it’s shift work and someone is waiting on you then arrive so they can go home or start to work and a team its a big deal cause you’re wasting someone elses time.
Yeah, but how many Americans are actually doing that kind of shift work anymore? I know it’s not none, but I don’t think we’re worried about the shoe factory shutting down over this. Those factories already shut down, and managers in places like that don’t hesitate to shitcan anyone chronically 10 minutes late as an example.
More than you’d think. Any facilities that need 24 hour coverage like medical, care and of course corrections. All of which have in common the staff really don’t want to spend an extra 10-20 minutes waiting for a 20s something to show up and take offense when called out. And in my experience these 20s somethings hate any reason for them to be kept late at work.
Aaaaahh, you’re right. I totally didn’t think about medical and care facilities. I was only thinking of factory-style shift work.
How does shift work not account for overwhelming an overwhelming majority of jobs? Customer service is all shift work. That includes everything with a store front or call center. It also includes a lot of workshops. From my understanding, that is the majority of jobs.
“Shift work” in this case is more like the type where someone has to do a specific handover to another human. Not just anything that isn’t salaried work. So the meaning is more in the context of the Industrial Era 24-hour factory type of meaning, where it’s coordinated that 1 entire group leaves and another punch in at the same time. It’s just another meaning of the term.
Also, this is some clickbait garbage hating on Gen Z vs. noble brave smart Boomers with zero tolerance for tardiness - it’s their take on a survey of 1,000 adults in the UK and completely in the context of working in an office.
It depends by the job entirely, and I’ve only once as a lone bartender needed the next person in order to leave, never any other customer service jobs. You mention call centers, and I’ve never seen one that required someone else to take your place so you can leave other than Pig Butchering camps where they may or may not kill you for not performing. Call centers typically let people log in and get in the queue taking calls. Even ones with under 10 people.
Retail. It’s 100% on the companies for doing this, but cashiers, for example, usually have bare minimum staffing. If one cashier is late coming in, that probably delays someone’s lunch or someone getting to go home on time.
It’s not right, it’s not everywhere, and in a lot of places when you show up doesn’t/shouldn’t matter. But people should be mindful of the other people they impact. Slack off all you want at work, I don’t care unless it starts making more problems for me and the rest of the team.
Very true. I do not do “shift work”. So I have no clue there.
Closest for me would be: being on time for meetings because of the same reason. Do not waste other peoples time.
If you are a firefighter?
Hehehe… HEY! IF the fire is out and no one died… Who cares that I just let the fire die out on his own???
Because your lateness impacts other employees and that is unfair to them.
Showing up just as the ferry left really was a great conversation starter with the guy who was on shift
Employer here (yes, I know right?! Sigh). Being on time and punctuality is about respect of other people time not about suppressing workers freedoms. We have no time to arrive for anyone. You can use the office if you like or work remotely from wherever you chose. But being late for a meeting with anyone relayed to the firm (customer or coworker including me) has to stay a seldom occurrence. Having multiple people wait for you 10 min is a pain point for everybody involved. It happens, I get it, but it everybody does not keep it to once in a long while everybody waits at every meeting which is not respectful of their time and its wasting quite some money too (Yes my people earn well above average). Is it too much to ask some basic respectful handling of each other?
BTW: there are employees that can’t handle that much autonomy yet. They specifically ask me to check their working hours and be at the office present for them to help them get their hours in and help with technical problems. But that’s usually new staff which has not learned to keep a routine. With time they usually get it together sooner or later. Surprisingly most make use of the office pretty regularly and just don’t come in if they travel to visit family or need to be at home for family reasons. Its a win all around as far as i am concerned.
I wasn’t going to do anything productive in that first 10 minutes anyway, so…
Is there anyone covering for you? If so does their time have no value.
One thing I noticed about the younger generations is that they give zero fucks about their colleagues.
weird, I’m increasingly noticing that about older generations as we hire more older people at work
That’s atypical as most of the older generations usually have less inclination to being self centered in the workplace.
Yeah Im seeing a lot of people display how little they care about other people here which is disturbing.
An example of which would be a manager who pressures an employee to keep working because the employee who is taking over their job isn’t there yet and then acts as if they aren’t the one making it the other employee’s problem and it’s entirely the fault of the late one.
The world won’t end if that cash register is idle for a few mins. Hell, a manager should know how to run that register if it really is such a such a huge deal to have slower throughput for a bit.
Sometimes we all have work that requires others to show up on time. Sometimes I could hop on a registers but other times I can’t.
REGARDLESS, all of the problems start with the inconsiderate person who chronically cones in late. Blaming the cause of the problem is typically appropriate. There’s no exception in this case.
I’m talking specifically about the “if you’re late it’s because you don’t care about the person you’re relieving” part.
It would be like telling your staff “sorry but we had to cut everyone’s pay a bit because one of you were caught taking money from the register”.
These people are already working for pennies on the dollar of the value the work they do makes the corp. Even with the lates and almost all of the other screwups.
If you are chronically late you don’t particularly cate about the impact that has on others. Sorry but being selfish is something people will judge you for as an adult.
Not every job needs someone to cover. My work is about deadlines. As long as I meet them, I can work whenever and wherever I want aside from meetings and work events.
If your lateness doesn’t impact anyone that’s unlikely to be a problem BUT given Gen Z’s age range it is unlikely they aren’t mostly in shift work.
That fair
Mid-millenial, elder millennial for a boss. Start time within half an hour of listed time is accepted practice. Things get done on time, nobody complains about staying ten or fifteen extra to properly wrap up a task. It’s very refreshing after years of the boomer song and dance.
yep for a lot of office work this is the most appropriate way to do it
unfortunately at my company they removed this kind of flexibility from the office staff because it “wasn’t fair” to the floor staff
they’re different situations. a bunch of floor staff start super early and leave early. why can’t some office staff start half an hour later and stay later?
I’m gen x and I believe this.
Really depends what you are 10 minutes late for. A meeting with other participants, ok if your role is to sit and listen. Not OK if people are waiting for you to start. It’s not OK to be late to relieve a co worker either
That’s how you build anticipation
Depends on the job.
Depends on the coworker. I’m going to have to all Jeff’s side work anyway. He can wait until after my coffee.
Depends on the job. Retail? Jeff needs to leave when his shift is over. It’s nobody’s problem.
Trucks leave at 7:15, you’re either on one or not working today.
