Also include the list of languages you can understand.
The funny thing is - I think I was rather made to feel inferior. There was always that notion that I might fail because German is not my actual mother tongue. I was really good in school and got super bored in elementary. So my mom went to the principal to discuss whether I could at least for math join the higher grades or even skip a grade. This is when my school realized - based on my mother’s heavy accent - that I had a migrational background and put me into a special ed after school program. It was degrading.
Right now our child is being raised bi(and a half)lingual. And while it is superficially considered great that she is being raised bilingual, we are also practically facing a lot of cynical behavior.
We were asked to speak German to her when she started kindergarten/preschool at 3 years old (which is actually not recommended to preserve the home language) so that she would have a faster time adjusting. Simultaneously, we are being told to avoid German at all cost and push her Russian much more by other groups, with the suggestion to make her learn how to write and read Russian at least a year before she starts school and not read German at all. We can’t do it right no matter what.
She has a birth date that would qualify her to register for school a year earlier (she would regularly go a year earlier if we hadn’t moved to another federal state), and it is already pretty clear they won’t let her because they “want to make sure her German is good enough for school”. She excels in both languages btw and is well above average in terms of expression and vocabulary, as we were told by her kindergarten teachers, yet still - we get the default answer that she will likely not be able to start school early because of her knowing Russian along with German.
So, no, in everyday life, I feel disadvantaged. It also highly depends on what language combo you look at. German and English? German and Spanish? Nice, wow, how amazing! German and Russian? German and Arabic? Ooof you will probably have difficulties in school, poor you. I’m not even going to start with the casual racism here.
I did have a bit of a superiority complex in high school, but that’s because I was fluent in Japanese which was considered a “cool” language that basically no one else at HS was fluent in. But after that not much. Besides I don’t think most people would realize or care that I’m fluent in three languages
Now I live in a city where most people are multilingual and I don’t speak the local language (French) despite all the other languages I speak or understand so… I definitely feel inferior, but I don’t think that’s what you are asking
I am fluent in Chinese/Japanese/English; my Japanese got way worse after HS but I can still read news/play videogames and hold up a conversation. I’ve learned a bit of German and French so I have some basic reading comprehension
I don’t see any differently at it than some people can juggle and others can’t. Or some people play instruments and others don’t. They are not better or worse for it
I speak 3 languages and it’s just normal to me. If someone looks up to that then it’s great but I don’t feel more valuable or better for it.
Or some people play instruments and others don’t.
I don’t play instruments, so if someone do, then I feel like they have the right to feel better about themselves, self-esteem is a good thing.
Sure! But it should never be a comparison to others. The issue with comparison is that as much as you can feel better about yourself by comparing yourself to others, you will find as many options to make you feel bad because they in your eyes are or are doing better
Stop comparing and just feel good about yourself, who you are what you can achieve and what you are aiming for for
Not really, since I never get to actually use those skills other than watching media from Japan (or I guess Spain/Mexico since I also know Spanish).
When I was in germany a few years ago I’m sure I came off as a monolingual person - none of the people tried to speak spanish to me though to they have no idea I can - and I didn’t get any much needed practice.
I never get to actually use those skills
I felt this. Don’t really remember the last time I spoke Mandarin, probably like more than a decade ago when I last went to 2nd grade in mainland China. Even Chinatown is still mostly Cantonese.
Another personal problem with my Japanese is that I only have been learning how to read and listen, not to speak or write it. But I mean, I see a lot of Japanese dudes, like Shigiru Miyamoto, that clearly understand English spoken to them, but still respond in Japanese (they have interpreters, but they only interpret the Japanese to English for the benefit of the English speakers). So I don’t think it would be too rude of me to do the same if by some miracle I ever did get to go to Japan.
I feel sorry for those who never had the opportunity to learn a foreign language. I feel those people not only miss the language, but also the knowledge and insight that this usually provides, like empathy and understanding a non-local point of view.
The lack of foreign language knowledge is something that could be the reason for the dumb nationalism that is rising.
Yea… I think learning English and experiencing the world from both Eastern and Western perspectives made me just hate war and I have a strong desire of people just being able to exist in peace. A US-China war is like my worst nightmare, since both sides would just hate and distrust Chinese Americans.
It opens doors and makes one feel more comfortable in certain social situations, but I wouldn’t say it makes me feel like I’m “better” than others. And I speak Spanish, English and French. 👍
I like hearing languages I don’t understand because I can pretend they’re talking about something intelligent.
I neither envy nor admire people that speak multiple languages fluently. It’s a useful skill, but it’s not strictly necessary where I live. If I lived in Europe, or near the border with a country that spoke another language, it would be more useful. But where I am, and where I’ve largely lived, it’s a skill that’s more useful than juggling, but less useful than being able to drive a car without getting in accidents.
I would largely suggest that most people should learn at least two languages though: English and Klingon. If you speak Klingon, you’ll be able to fluently converse with nerds from any country. :)
This. I was never fluent, but spoke decent enough Spanish to get by. I worked in a shop with a bunch of Mexicans for a bit. That plus highschool Spanish, I picked up a decent basic conversational understanding. Like I could watch Mexican tv and keep up. I moved, haven’t used it in a decade. It’s basically gone. I’m sure I could get it back with some study and immersion, but there are basically zero Spanish speakers where I’m at. It’s just not worth the energy and time to maintain a second language in my head.
It bothers me to be monolingual. But I have zero contacts with which to interact on a daily and practice all the German I learned at my university.
There are plenty of German communities on Lemmy; I guess you could start there.
I speak Dutch and English fluently, I can have a conversation in French and German and I can read Italian, Spanish and the Nordic languages.
Being able to make myself understood in a large part of the world is a comforting thought, but does not much for my self-esteem. I would think that it should be the default to be taught foreign languages at school. If you are in a non-English (and possibly Spanish) speaking country and you refuse to learn other langugages, then I would consider you to be a bigoted idiot. I am not talking learning disabilities here, I am talking explicit unwillingness.
Spanish, English, and some Japanese here. I feel it’s easier to pick up underlying patterns in vocabulary between languages which in turn lets me understand the written form of other related languages (Portuguese and Italian due to Spanish, some Chinese too). I don’t really consider monolingual to be all that different though I figure it can limit their ability to travel the world unhindered somewhat. I notice a very slight change in my personality depending on the language I’m speaking, like I get a little less patient when talking in Spanish and speak a little faster too.
Monolingual, and yes I envy multilingual people. It’s simply better.
I flunked Spanish and French so I think I just have poor language learning aptitude.
I am not yet bilingual, but if you asked any of my American friends, I am. I moved to Norway at 39, and 5 years later still struggle to understand spoken Norwegian. I speak and read it, in my opinion, okay. I really envy people who can at least understand a foreign language even if they can’t express themselves in it. You at least have some semblance of what’s going on even if you can’t fully participate.
In my experience, having English only as a mother tongue is awful in Europe/scandanavia. But growing up with any other language, having English as at least a 2nd language, wow look at all those open doors.
The US public school system does not set kids up for success, in their own country or abroad. The foreign language requirement in HS is a joke and effectively sets us up to be able to overconfidently order coffee and ask where the museum is if we ever get to travel abroad.
I have heard that they start out here in Norway with English pretty young (maybe 8-10yo?) as a requirement, and then add mandatory electives later in French, German, or Latin. I don’t have kids in school so this may not be 100% accurate.
The foreign language requirement in HS is a joke and effectively sets us up to be able to overconfidently order coffee and ask where the museum is if we ever get to travel abroad.
Bruh, they taught spanish for like 2 years in middle school, but I could never retain much besides the Day of the Dead animated film they always play near the end of the schoolyear.
Like, my Spanish Lexicon is: Uno Dos Tres Quatro Cinco Seis Seite Ocho Nueve Diaz, me llamo pizza, Me No Habla Espanol…
and… that’s about it
So for Highschool, I kinda cheated the system a bit, I chose Chinese because… Mandarin Chinese was one of my native languages (went to school in China until Grade 2) so I sort of just want to get easy grades (I ended up getting an A for the first year, B for the second year). Somehow, kids in the Chinese class behaved better than those kids in Spanish class, I guess people who willingly choose the hardest language tend to be less of troublemakers.
I seriously doubt anyone retained any of it. I only retained it because it was more of a 1st grade refresher class, rather than actually learning it for the first time.
I’m from Brazil and I’m very happy to have almost fluent english and crappy spanish.
It’s also quite useful. Not only is english spoke everywhere online, but there where cases where my spanish was useful for my job.
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