A flawed hypothesis. LOGO and Hypercard > Lotus notes.
I’m studying computer science and while most use Linux, there are definitely more macOS user than Windows… so yeah, I don’t really agree
Most use Linux? Where the hell are you studying?
Man what a boring place Karlsruhe is when you compare it to its slightly more southern or slightly more frenchy neighbours, but what an absolute powerhouse of tech talent it breeds for the people who study there
:c
What city do you like more?
I like Heidelberg
Lörrach :p
Upvoting the pyramid people!
That’s pretty cool, during my University studies most people had either a windows laptop or an iPad.
An iPad!? In computer science?
Mechanical engineering actually. They were mostly used to take notes during class. I’m pretty sure everyone had a laptop as well.
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The question was where, not what.
In computer study science
You’ve not hear of Computer Science University? And their sportsball team, the fighting Bugs?
Compute science
The question was where, not what.
Computer science
The question was where, not what.
I installed Linux for the first time at 14.
13/14 for me. Thinkpad 600 😎
Its nice to know im not the only Linux kid. It felt so weird, most of my friends didn’t even know what Android was. It sucks growing up tech savvy when most people call themselves nerds after discovering “air drop”.
If you’re using Lemmy there’s a good chance you’ll be excluded from the study. Some of the largest Lemmy communities are Linux related.
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I think that being forced to learn about WINE at a young age may have been beneficial actually (if extremely unpleasant)
I remember when Wine was in alpha for twelve years (and then beta for three more). Was surprised to learn that it finally exited that stage, some time ago already.
So unpleasant.
There are dozens of us
What about people who started on DOS?
Or AmigaOS?
They are either database administrators or completely oblivious to modern technology
Lies and slander.
I am a system administrator and a network administrator. I abhor database management tyvm.
Heh, me too. DBAs are to sysadmins what sysadmins are to devs
How about the tech skills of kids who actually built their first computer?
In my region, people who grew up with mac are more likely to finish higher class school than people who grew up using windows.
But not because they use mac but because they tend to have richer parents…“discluded”
🤣
I thought so too, but turns out it is a word, even if it might be misused here: https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/129015/is-disclude-a-word-and-what-authority-says-a-word-is-a-word-or-isnt
We do not wish to exclude the population because it would preclude comparative analysis, but we wish to disclude them from this study in order to conclude the initial hypothesis.
In disclusion I should probably learn my engrish.
De-un-cluded even
Good grief! The word is excluded. Holy shit.
probably a Windows user
Shit was making my eye twitch.
honestly i think part of the reason i’m a computer tinkerer now is my formative years were spent trying to run specific minecraft launchers, n64 emulators and other stuff on the family mac
Yeah the mac or pc part doesn’t really matter if youre curious and like learning. You can do a lot with mac. However on the surface I would say its a little more simplified.
I don’t get the hype for Apple stuff. Custom built desktops or frankenlaptops look way cooler and it is a lot of fun to finally figure out what kind of gear you need.
It was always software vs Windows (which it goes without saying has always been trash), but I think nowadays it’s more of a hardware thing, Linux vs Mac OS, it’s not much of a much.
There are of course tons of features missing from the (laptop) hardware, touch screens, modems, any kind of interesting keyboards or folding etc. but the standard and reliability of the features it does have are of a pretty good class.
Desktops who cares
I used to have Asus hybrid tablet laptop and it was my favorite computer simply because it had both keyboard and touchscreen and it was super fun to point your finger at the screen instead of using the touchpad. the downside was that the connector port wore out relatively quickly and it started glitching and then the touchscreen broke down and that was all she wrote for that adventure.
Yeahhhh I love interesting form factors, give me more, I want them all! Yoga line has been really fun. Although there is something to be said for making it a bit more
tankietankish, for work, especiallyYeah comrade, it seems weird that companies make portable computers so brittle.
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what’s cool about it is that custom build is always a Theseus Ship and eventually you switch every single component but it is still your PC.
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Vic-20 here. What a time to be alive.
TRS-80 then IBM PCjr here. Both hand-me-downs though.
Mom wouldn’t let me on the 386 until I could touch-type and write a program in BASIC. She was a Cobol and IBM RPG programmer.
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I started on an Antikythera mechanism, you kids that started on a modern machine were coddled.
Yeah, it was just MSDOS. I saw “Abort, retry, fail” so many times, and I didn’t even know what it meant because I was four and I just wanted to play Family Feud with my brother.
Apple ][e was my first. We also had an XP machine for internet (Neopets) but I didn’t have to fight for turns on the Apple.
I had an Apple ][e I could use at school. It was preferable to the ][c for the same reason.
I know you’re joking but this is how a lot replies here feel. Kids don’t even know how to program using punch cards anymore smh.
40 years from now the newest generation will be saying “Grandpa doesn’t even know know what a Cyber Tibulator Strip is let alone how to use it. If you need him he’s out back yelling at clouds.”
Don’t get me wrong here, tech literacy is low but when has it not been?
C64 gang, represent!
Seriously though, I feel like that generation of machines was the last time you could look at hardware and say “yeah, I understand literally everything about how this works” and that knowledge has made even some of my (tech sector) coworkers think I’m a wizard
Are you joking? C64 was the bomb back in the day! My Atari and Amiga mates were enjoying colors and music and games while I had sat there on my colourless, mute PC. All I had was Flight Simulator 2 in black and white. And DrBrush for drawing in Hercules “graphics” mode.
I had a GUI - windows 3.11
But it was so slow. So I made my own gui/menu system that ran in dos. I was between 9-11 I reckon.
Not sure where that lands me on the spectrum of coddledness
I can technically claim I started with a hand me down C64 from my grandmother in the early 90s. But I was like 6 years old, and I didn’t really get into computers until we got a Windows 95 machine a couple of years later. Though by 99-2000 I was regularly playing around with the C64 for the novelty of what felt like ancient tech.
I remember using dialup internet on windows 98 in the late 90s to look up how to use the C64.
As always, this is a relatively tech-knowledgeable platform. 99% of people didn’t know shit about computers before or after the advent of the iphone, and even before that, building a PC wasn’t on the radar for most.
OTOH fixing issues with computers, PC users would know way more than a Apple user because PCs had way more issues. Not really a flex, but certainly relevant to the discussion.
PCs had way more options, as it was an open hardware system sort of (any company could make the hardware). If your apple broke, there was just nothing you could do too.
Sure. That was the pro and con for PCs. You could do whatever with them, but it meant that in doing whatever there was plenty of opportunity to break things or discover incompatibilities. Apple otoh was fuck you, you’re only doing what we let you do. I despised the walled garden, so I’ve been PC/Windows/Linux forever.
Exactly, and I can’t stand the walled garden either ☺️👍🏻
If someone has a PC they may be more likely to use it to game and also to pirate games and mod games. That can actually lead to learning quite a bit about computers when it comes to the file system which lot of people don’t understand these days, and also following instructions when it comes to completing computer tasks. That sets a pretty good basic starting point. It can also lead to wanting to build their own PC and watch more tech related content.
So can push people from just a simple media consumption device to wanting to tinker.
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Ummm how do kids turn out if you install Linux Mint on a cheap laptop and give it to them to screw around with? Asking for a friend.
I’ll let you know in 10 years.
BAAAABE, I WANT A KID.
It leads the kid to Arch. I hope you prepared to always hear “I use Arch, btw.”
My 8 and 9 year old kids use xubuntu on a 2013 macbook air. They use it for writing stories, making a lot of pixel art with Piko Pixel, and some code block style programming with Lego Spike. They are learning about multi-user systems, file management, etc. I’m keeping an eye out for a cheap pc that can run Minecraft (lots of those right now since people are just trashing old win 10 machines) because the older kid wants to learn how to make Minecraft mods.
My cousin became an IT tech. I set her up with Ubuntu on a cheap desktop when she was about 12.
One of us.
