Sorry for the rant, I don’t know if it belongs here, I’m new. But I am just super disappointed and want to maybe help people in the future experiencing something similar so we can cope together.
So, a few days ago, one of my random alt accounts on Reddit gets sitewide banned for harassment because I called someone dumb in the comments (literally no more than that) as a joke on a shitpost a few years ago. I laugh the random account ban off and delete the account and return to my normal Redditing.
Now, I’ve been a daily commenter and poster on Reddit for several years at this point. You could call it addiction. But I also use it for updates and questions at my local university, so it’s also made its way into my personal life, too.
So, after the ban, I figured I was fine and I could continue to use one of my many other accounts. I was wrong.
Nope. A few hours later, ALL of my accounts over the last decade or so get permanently banned for ban evasion. I did not know Reddit bans were global like that. So, obviously I try to appeal the bullshit original ban, but I DELETED the account so I couldn’t.
I try to appeal on the alts, but I get the same generic “your request has been denied” message. Over and over again across all of them, same message.
So, I figure that they banned me for having my other accounts on the same device. Really shitty all my accounts were gone but I was reluctantly fine to start over by removing them all and deleting the app.
Those accounts got banned too.
Okay, looks like it’s by IP and device. Cool. I’ll… use the browser version on Brave and use a VPN when I want to post on Reddit. Super inconvenient but I’ll do what I have to do.
All accounts created or largely used on a VPN get shadow banned and appeals are ignored.
Okay, VPNs don’t work. I’ll delete all my account info on all my devices, reset my router to change my IP, use a new device, and not sign into any accounts other than Reddit and that should be good!
It works for a few hours. Perfectly fine. But, as I scroll more and more, I start to see communities that I recognize from my old accounts. No big deal, they probably recommend those communities to a lot of new users.
But, as I scrolled more and more, even smaller communities showed up that I used. Smaller, smaller, and even smaller, until eventually these were subs under 5k members even though I didn’t interact with he vast majority. They caught me, again, on a brand new device with a different IP.
Well fuck. Reddit is going to be the biggest inconvenience ever to use again. But I had one last trick up my sleeve.
A special VPN that uses the network of its users to reroute internet so websites are extremely unlikely to ban each individual server. A fucking virtual linux machine. Brave browser with the most secure settings.
It went well for longer this time, a few days, but the same Orwellian shit happened. More and more tiny subs until I saw ones with mere single digit upvotes on all the posts on subs with just a few thousand members. And then, just a day or two after my account creation, boom. Permanent ban there, too.
There is literally nothing you can do to get back on Reddit if you’re banned and want to use it in even a slightly normal way. I have submitted an appeal on the reddithelp form, but this is also extremely unlikely to be accepted even though the ban was bullshit; they haven’t responded yet. I don’t think I can ever use Reddit again because their system uses the most advanced AI to detect evaders I have ever seen. They’re definitely spending tens of millions monthly on computer costs and research SOLELY to catch evaders and it fucking works.
So, I guess I’m a Lemming from now on. Super upset, Lemmy doesn’t have subs for my favourite games and even the more popular games are super inactive. But, there is nothing I can do. Sorry for the rant but I know I started reading ban posts like these for hours when I first got banned, so I hope I can help people in the future realize they’re completely done for unless their appeal gets accepted.
TL;DR: Even with a completely unrelated device, IP, and a virtual machine, Reddit’s AI will detect what types of posts you like until they are slightly confident it’s you. Then, permanent ban. You cannot avoid this. I’m super bummed out.
Edit: For peoples who have had site-wide bans doomscrolling about it in the future like I was, I’m not saying evading a ban is impossible. If you really want to get back on don’t give up hope, I’m just saying it’s going to be very difficult. But definitely consider contributing to the awesome Lemmy community. I know it’s missing a lot, but it does help scratch the itch. I recommend the Blorp app as it’s the most similar to Reddit’s UI.
Did you vape your browser cache? Take anti browser fingerprinting steps? So how do you think they’re identifying you?
vape your browser cache
wow browsers can blow dank clouds now? broooo.
Sorry, I had to :P
Reddit AI analyses the content of comments and the sorts of posts the user interacts with, and generates a fingerprint of a user, and ban any user which matches the fingerprint of a banned user.
Hahaha what a fucking waste of money. For the amount of money that they’re wasting on using LLMs to analyze content, they could fix the actual root problems that makes their platform suck ass.
google and OPENAI is paying for that DATA. thats why reddits AI moderation is so aggressive. reddit is getting money to have thier data scraped, hence google searches are almost always reddit in the top.
Now that makes a lot of sense - I got a lifetime ban about 9 months back, got back in 2 or 3 times but within hours I’d get re-banned. That explains why, when I showed up on my regular platforms, (specifically r/palestine), I’d get spotted.
I honestly struggled for a couple of months without reddit, but have now substituted it for the most part with a combination of Lemmy and Mastodon…fuck you reddit, lol!
they also analyze the fingerprint of your browser to.
to what? you didn’t finish
Nothing but usage patterns is sufficient but browser fingerprints and IP location obviously makes it easier for them.
I linger on a post from a smaller sub they randomly recommend for 0.2 seconds longer than other posts? They get a little suspicious.
I click a google search link to a post about a hobby I was into on a previous account? They get more suspicious.
They say, “oh look, a dude that’s into Minecraft (joined that sub), 3D printing (from google question) that lives in x city and uses Windows. We only have like 10 of those on the entire platform, and one is banned! Let’s start suggesting them communities from their old accounts to see if it’s the same person.”
Then, after you even remotely interact with those older/smaller communities that they fire at you as a test suggestion, they gain more and more evidence until they’re very confident it’s you. Then boom, evasion ban again.
There’s no way around this unless you don’t use Reddit for what you want to and only browse r/all or something.
Edit: Yeah, forgot to answer the actual question. All browser cache data is removed. They’re doing it with data on what subs I like alone.
Once you’re over the addiction, maybe a month or so, you’ll enjoy your life better. There’s an energy about reddit that you see her occasionally, but not all of the time. It’s worse than you probably currently realize.
You’re right, I definitely have a serious addiction and I am realizing it more now. This post definitely reads like I’ve been separated from cocaine, lmao.
It’s probably my limited social life combined with the endless scrolling. The fucking reddit notifications from posts and comments sorta filled that void, it’s super sad ik.
Breaking the addiction will be a hard adjustment and it’s not easy, but I hope I will get over it and I know you’re right.
But the ban is also shitty outside of the context of my general usage addiction though even though that’s obviously the main factor. Asking general questions about random shit has helped me solve so many problems.
Stick with Lemmy for a bit. It’s like a less-overwhelming, cozier, friendlier Reddit.
Blorp dev here. Welcome to Lemmy! Let me know if there is anything I can do to improve your experience. PieFed is also worth checking out. You’ll see all the same content as Lemmy, and PieFed has post flairs. Blorp lets you login to PieFed and Lemmy at the same time.
Thanks for making Blorp, it’s my favourite Lemmy app I’ve tried! And the lack of post flairs is something I’ve noticed, so I might try PieFed out.
If you want feedback on some more (very minor) things I would love to be fixed, here’s a list of things I’ve noticed:
I posted on the Blorp community yesterday about wanting a “read all” button for notifications (mostly because this post got a lot) so that would be really nice.
Other than that, it’s mostly just tiny things. Apparently Lemmy has a backend way to see user karma, so maybe seeing that would be nice to add as an option?
Maybe a button to copy and paste a post’s body text on mobile like on Reddit, or even a “save image/video” button? This is really minor.
And maybe an easier way to see the upvote/downvote ratio? (like 87% upvoted as an example)
Maybe this isn’t possible for some reason, but would a way to create a community inside of Blorp be possible? I don’t know if Lemmy works like that.
Thanks again for making this app, especially the fact that it’s on iOS. I hope it’s not too much of a time/financial burden because it’s great.
(All of this is from iOS by the way)
I started working on mark read. I’m also going to take this as an opportunity to improve marking read/unread in general.
I don’t think Lemmy supports karma or intends to support karma. It might be possible to stitch something together, but it would be kinda sketchy. Since you’re new to Lemmy, I would just embrace the lack of karma and see in a month or two if you still miss it. I think PieFed has a way of labeling a user’s “Attitude”, so maybe that could replace what you’re looking for.
Copy is interesting. I’ll think about how I would add that.
I was thinking maybe long press to peak at ratio. I would have to see if that’s possible. I should also add an option to always show upvotes and downvotes separately.
I would love to eventually support create community in Blorp. For now, this is low priority since you might do this only a few times ever. On the other hand, things like moderation will happen daily. So I would add more moderation features before adding create community.
It’s not a burden! I feel financially privileged. At least compared to others my age. Building Blorp is my way to give back. Though I have been trying to make more time for my other hobbies lately, so I’ve been a little slower than usual.
Anyway, thanks for the kind words! Nice to see a fellow iOS user, as most Lemmy users aren’t.
Not reading all that bs but fuck reddit. Let those lemmings sit their and be fed bullshit by the teaspoon unable to call others out on their bs for fear of getting banned.
Frankly, I don’t understand why people keep insisting on using that cancer site. The Reddit many of us knew and once loved is gone. It is now just another right wing propaganda machine. Sad, but that’s the way it is.
It’s one of the only places to talk about some topics
Do you think the DNC/Kamala campaign is right wing because they obviously owned reddit during the 2024 cycle.
i recently heard R/democrat will block/ban any users not pro OLD guard DNC comments, aka pro-schumer,etc.
People don’t join Reddit to partake in things politically. The real attraction is how numerous that there are of communities anyone can join, that covers just about nearly anything anyone has ever thought of. It’s almost endless. There’s a community for someone out there and there’s interaction in them.
The problem was when people got fucking politics into their god damn heads way too damn much that they practically ruined everything for everyone everywhere. And I find it ironic that you call it a right wing propaganda machine when the last time I was there, there were volumes of these right-wingers complaining up and down how Reddit was left-wing.
But that’s just an example too of how damn contagious all of these fucking politics has gotten everything.
there were volumes of these right-wingers complaining up and down how Reddit was left-wing.
Yeah and that’s ironic because they literally call for violence against minorities and they’re still there but if you call a right winger an asshole you get permabanned. Reddit is a right wing cesspool, at least to the extent that its owners can make it one.
and now people have to be careful what words they are using, like killed, or referring to violence is enough.
You can blame it on Spez and who he has allowed to be in charge of moderating the subreddits that control wherever this shit-flinging fest is happening at.
I thought that’s what I just did.
Depends wildly on the subreddit. I’m unaware of Spez personally getting involved in appointing and removing moderators for political reasons. I suspect the user above is referring to site admin policies rather than subreddits.
he got involved during the '23 API changes. just got worst after trump was re-elected.
Yeah, they expelled some mod teams for closing their subreddits in protest - but that’s different to what the other user was alleging.
Of course. Of course. Right wingers screeching about everything being left wing totally means that’s the case, amirite?
they still have communities on there, sadly its hard to replicate on lemmy or the other sites.
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That’s one of the most irksome things about Lemmy. We create stories as truth without experience when it comes to other countries.
I had all that happen. The initial ban was from AI for inciting violence when discussing JiuJitsu technique.
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This is more of a recent thing.
Since the API changes, everyone’s been pretty much forced to use their first-party app, so they can collect even more data on you. But, even without it, they still collect a comically huge amount of data like how long you hover on a post or how fast you type on your keyboard.
That combined with the seemingly sudden leap in AI within the last 3-4 years has allowed them to employ AI specifically trained to detect evaders.
If you want to keep using Reddit, be careful, because second chances are very hard now!
the human behaviour monitoring is pretty recent, plus they also use googles captcha v3 system to i believe.
reddit has been going hard on anti-musk, anti-israel, and anti-trump comments, even simple words can be considered a ban now.
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i had the same thing earlier this year, when r/technology gave me a temp ban, all my other accounts were suddenly hit at once. even if the old accounts was deleted or the ban was lifted Years ago. they hold your past accounts against you.
The Reddit of old is long gone. The Mods on most subs are petulant cellar-dwellers. Censorship is off the charts. No thanks.
I wouldn’t even bother, I used the site for 15 years mostly just answering software and tech questions and talking about music gear and they banned me in seconds for one anti trump comment earlier this year. It’s fucked. Now I wish I would have stopped using it when they allowed The_Donald subreddit to fester on their site.
when r/technology was getting astroturfed with trump news i was commenting as other people are, about antitrump stuff, temp ban. then suddenly all old accounts were hit with the same permaban. they also fish out old accounts you might not have used in while and ban those, if at any time(on the same device or ip address) you commented on a sub you were banned in.
Dude my whole family got banned on Reddit when i got banned. It’s a shitty corporation.
It’s like crack. Apparently someone spread a meme around of one of their banned account’s login info and got a shit load of people banned so reddit unbanned everyone, sounds stupid but maybe I’ll try that
Reddit died for me on the day that they banned me within minutes for saying I should be allowed to punch Nazis, you know in an Indiana Jones kind of way. Or a Captain America way if you prefer. I’m pretty sure the thread had something to do with Captain America so it was relevant
reddits kinda worst now. i sitll browse reddit, even though my account was shadowbanned. and people were saying they cant say certain things now that were very common, and its now bannable by reddits filter.
You did the right thing
Reddit’s AI will detect what types of posts you like until they are slightly confident it’s you. Then, permanent ban.
This seems extremely unlikely. There is most likely another explanation for what you experienced.
I’ll take Things that make your fingerprint unique, Alex:
- Cookies
- Rare browsers
- Local/Session storage/IndexedDB
- Browser extensions
- Your mouse patterns
- Your browser’s timezone
- Your browser canvas
- Other fingerprint techniques…
Chameleon is a nice browser extension (it does some nasty things on sites that do try to assert that you are human, or that is it truly you, and you can get banned or blocked so use it with that in mind) that tries to hide some of those things, but maybe they look for it in your browser and default to other techniques… I understand this has been son effort on your part and that some of the things I listed do not apply to you in your last attempts, but maybe some of the others do. Or maybe this is a signal for you to leave that cesspool, maybe.
If you want to see how big your fingerprint can be: https://amiunique.org/
hey that really worked. Great link
even the more popular games are super inactive.
Due to the lower userbase, activity happens in more generic communities.
There’s
Then genre communities
It’s obviously not as busy as Reddit, but it’s still a busy enough place.
!newcomers@piefed.zip if you have questions
I just got my only reddit account deleted with no warning a few hrs ago. No email about it, nothing. It was a 3 yr old account with lots of good karma. I never engaged in any discussions that led to downvoting, never called anyone names, etc. I’m too lazy to fight it tho - figure if they don’t want me on their site I don’t need to be there.
Welcome!
After the detox period, it’s quite nice here.
Hope you’re going to find, and create (you’ll be amazed how easy it is to pop up communities here, and there is no permanan possible) your future favourite communities here!
Cheers
Be the change that you want to see on Lemmy. Make or participate in a community if you want it here.
Let me give you my experience with your suggestion. Using reddit for over 10 years. Been through 3 site wide bans and 3 reinstatements all with the same account. During my last site wide ban I really tried to love Lemmy. I can understand less users and therefore less comments and posts. But in my opinion the vibe was worse than reddit. The vibe meaning the majority of us using this platform think THIS WAY and if you in anyway disagree than you are a bad person. I still like Lemmy but I restrict myself to just a handful of groups. In my opinion there are no civil open discussion groups on reddit. And it’s the same with Lemmy. The difference is that reddit has a flair policy for some groups that protects groups from the brigading just because you have a different opinion.
True. And we need to stop bullshit like this.
Imagine if in the future, a company like Tencent managed to buy all the big social medias, or even if all the big social medias teamed up to ban stuff that goes against an agenda.
The future equivalents (or maybe the same as the ones we have now) of Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, Discord, Youtube, Google, etc. could share their moderation tactics and ban anyone that speaks badly about whatever agenda they have.
Then, the Orwellian tech giants could use lightweight AI to detect evasion like I experienced on Reddit. No matter what, where, or how, they would ALWAYS be able to link a user to a banned user within hours or days no matter how little IP or fingerprint similarities they were JUST BY USAGE PATTERNS.
This is fucking creepy and insane. The future we are heading towards does not look bright when it comes to surveillance.
Although I’m reluctant to use Lemmy because of its tiny (but not nonexistent) size, I do think I will create some small communities similar to the ones on Reddit that I miss even if I’m the only one there.
Personally I’ve moved on from Reddit communities to Discord server communities.
Discord is following the same paths as reddit and can easily do the same to you
Haven’t gotten sidewide permabanned so we’ll see. Maybe one day, we’ll revert back to good old fashion forums or internet relay chat or even newsgroups. The technophiles atleast, the masses probably will be still in their bubble of social media.
That’s why we’re building the fediverse right now. The enthusiasts have already evolved. No regression necessary.
Well I’m also here 😀
Discord is, but there’s no capable developed Discord alternative. The Lemmy/Piefed/Mbin-verse is well developed.
I’d love to see a good enough alternate that I could convince my normie friends to use. I’m sick of moving every time its profitable to shit up a chat platform.
