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I would.
I’ve been commenting on a bunch of threads the best way to deal with a bully is to tell them to fuck off and go play with everyone else in the playground. Glad we’re taking the first few steps in the right direction.
the best way to deal with a bully is to tell them to fuck off
Works best when the bully isn’t stupid rich and surrounded by psychopath security guards.
A big reason why oil-rich oligarchies buy American military hardware is to avoid getting the heavy end of the “regime change” stick bounced off their heads.
That’s cute and all but annexing Canada is literally in their agenda.
Do it Canada! Purchase the SAAB and your pilots will have more seat time. The F-35 is a maintenance pig.
MAGA would hate Canada escaping their abuse.
I have no idea about the technical aspects but, with Murica not being an ally anymore, the F35 basically needing permission from Lockheed Martin to take off, and the F35 tech in the hands of the Saudi’s and soon China… the F35s are worthless
Okay so just to clarify what the software lockdown on F-35 means is that other country except the USA aren’t allowed to create update to the software. Exception for Israel and maybe the UK (don’t quote me) are allowed to modify the software themselves.
It doesn’t mean a instant kill switch. But it does mean that if the USA decides to block someone from update it’s much harder for a country to make their own update.
Weren’t some of the US helicopters that were captured in Ukraine remotely disabled? I seem to remember a Russian general having a hissy fit about it early in the invasion.
I assumed F35s have a similar lockout mechanism.
If you have an article or maybe remember more details about that story?
The closest I could find is this.
Ukraine doesn’t really operate western helicopter in general so the story may have been about something else. We have reports of the Russian using captured American armor vehicles. So no kill switch in those.
Hrm… Yeah, I’m not finding anything either. Might be I misunderstood something at the time, or took a rumor at the time as fact.
is it actually possible for the USA to stop one of these jets from functioning?
if the answers is anything other than “absolutely impossible, no matter what”, these jets are worthless
Any fighter jet requires a lot of maintenance, and the F35 requires more than most.
If they US cut us off from getting parts for the planes it wouldn’t take too long before they wouldn’t be flying anymore.
And yeah the biggest concern for me is a country that’s potential adversary being able to shut down our air force when they want. I’d say it’s not likely they’d do this to attack us militarily, but I could definitely see a them doing this to put pressure on us in a trade negotiation. They did temporarily cut off Ukraine from supply in the middle of a war to pressure them, that’s a line that should never be crossed, and they crossed it. So yeah they’d be willing ground our airf orce to strong arm us someday.
So using American planes makes the RCAF a potential liability in negotiations in the future. The military should be a strength in geopolitics, not a liability.
The Swedish offer shouldn’t just be about jobs, though that’s a nice bonus. If we’re building the parts for the planes here in Canada then no one can cut us off and ground our planes.
exactly right, IMO
I doubt they have a kill switch in the sense of making the jet fall out of the sky at the push of a button. But if they can stop you from updating its software or maintaining it that’ll render it useless pretty quickly, so that’s close enough IMO. They just need a little lead time on their invasion plans.
My thoughts exactly… and this is not a hypothetical, they have already shown they are willing to use any dirty tactic for any gain, even if it’s just to strike the Orange Pedo ego
If they have control of updates, they can withhold updates or deliver malicious updates. So they may not be able to make them drop out of the sky*, but they can send an update that makes them completely unable to take off, or even crash upon takeoff.
*But they could install a kill command to turn off engines when a signal is received.
I hope they do it. Maybe the arms manufacturers will turn on Trump when they start losing trillion dollar clients.
Please do
List of accidents and incidents involving the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II
At the price of $100M/jet you want to miss out on all this?
hey now be fair
List of accidents and incidents involving the JAS 39 Gripen
although given the JAS has a 23-year head start, i gotta say the F-35 has made a fantastic grab for the lead.
To be fair most Gripen crashes happened in the early days, as a result of purposefully pushing the plane and pilot to their limits. Flying low enough to scrape treetops, sudden high-G manouvers… they train like they’re in an actual war.
yeah the first two were because the pilot was outmanuevering the flight computer. the plane was much more capable than the initial software.
another fun fact is that the swedish air force does not have an aerobatics team. they all train for those maneuvers and whenever there’s an airshow they’re invited to they just send a random free airman from whatever base they happen to be on.
Or you know stop building up your planet destroying unnecessary military altogether.
Militaries are only unnecessary so long as the other guys don’t have one either
Oh yes Canada is really in danger of imminent invasion and I’m sure these planes won’t be used to bomb innocent brown children if they are used at all
Canada is in danger of invasion by a nationalistic US in the next decade or two, if the trajectory our current regime is on continues unabated. Having defense equipment and capabilities that are backed by literally anything other than US tech is a great idea in that context.
Better idea stop building a death army so you can exploit the third world. Canada isn’t buying bombers to defend against a US invasion. Stop inventing justification to support your militarism
Wow you are making a whole shitload of assumptions about my beliefs - not to mention, you clearly do not understand strategic military and geoeconomic policy in the context of modern geopolitics.
I don’t think they understand much.
Saying I don’t understand “modern geopolitics” because I oppose the current mass military buildup worldwide is baseless. I just have a consistent opposition to militarism that you lack.
Maybe not imminent. But you do need to have it ready on the chance something happens. It’s pretty silly to completely dismantle a country’s military and only start spinning it up when you need it.
Militaries take a long time to build up, equip, and train. Not to mention keeping the institutional knowledge of folks with the expertise on how to operate, build, and maintain all the moving parts involved so that when the time comes, you’re not starting from square one. If you wait until you get attacked to get things rolling, you’ve pretty much already lost.
You do know the russia is our northern neighbour right?
You are divorced from reality if you think Russia is a military threat to Canada. Sorry but thats not a good excuse to buy climate destroying military hardware which will either sit and not be used other than for “drills” and “parades” or be used to kill innocent people exploited for profit.
The US and Russia both want to take control of the melting north-west passage. Pull your head out of your ass.
What colour is the sky in your little dream world?
Sure I’m in a dream world for opposing Canadian militarism that helped destroy Afgahnistan and Syria and will likely if used be used for similarly destructive means.
More concerned about our southern neighbour atm.
No, your northern neighbor is a nearly impassable frozen sea of grinding churning ice.
I totally forgot frozen water can stop jets and missiles.
This attitude is why Europe is in the situation its in, and how Hitler got as far as he did.
The threat of violence maintains peace and sovereignty. It is a truth that cannot be ignored to cater to feelings.
Hitler didn’t get as far as he did due to a lack of military buildup and militarism among European nations what are talking about? He got as far as he did because Britain and allies didn’t see him as a threat because they had no problems with either his domestic policies and his beginning foreign conquests weren’t deal breaking or a true threat to their power. It had nothing to do with a refusal to prioritize military spending.
Hitler didn’t get as far as he did due to a lack of military buildup and militarism among European nations what are talking about?
He absolutely did. That, and concession after concession to appease that which cannot be appeased. He got very far because people kept at it with the “lets just be reasonable here” sentiments that only work if your opponent operates logically like a machine or even a traditional bureaucracy.
He got as far as he did because Britain and allies didn’t see him as a threat because they had no problems with either his domestic policies and his beginning foreign conquests weren’t deal breaking or a true threat to their power.
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They most definitely thought he was a threat, but one they could contain without force and through appeasement.
If you want to make America piss itself, station J-35S.
The Gripen is quite interesting, who would have guessed that licensing fighter jets for manufacturing on other countries (Embraer is building them too, Colombia bought some, other countries seem to want it too) would be a good strategy?
I’ll wait 50 years for a Gripen to be sold on Aliexpress for 150 thousand dollars, 250 thousand with replacement parts with a cool paint job.
Now that the US is sending them to Saudi, how secure will they be from investigation by foreign adversaries?
Plus, the entire supply chain system of relying on the US for software and hardware updates, having to physically send the planes to the US for maintenance, all while the US continues to talk about annexing us is completely fucking bonkers.
Even without the annexation threats the setup would be stupid.
I know it’s a fancy and advanced plane, but knowing how the US military industrial complex works I’m pretty sure you’re paying a high multiplier for no reason too.
Super advanced, so advanced that Iran shot what 3 down?
There have been no confirmed downings of F-35’s.
While it’s fully possible that the US is lying about that, it’s equally possible that the claims from Iran are also lies, because half of military action is information and misinformation. I wouldn’t lean on foreign propaganda any more than I would domestic propaganda.
If you want a laugh, go look up the photos Iran doctored up for this bit of propaganda. I remember one had an F35 with cockpit the size of a school bus on it. Another had the tail section on backwards. Probably AI slop, but fake photos to be sure.
Oh I remember that one well.
Not only did they take down an F-35, they took down the biggest F-35 ever made!
It’s like defeating the Queen F35, now they can’t produce more little ones.
There have been no confirmed downings of F-35’s.
Several “oops this plane just fell off the flight deck, oh well, shit happens” articles in recent memory. A great way to explain why the Navy is suddenly down a vehicle without having to explain to anyone in the general public what happened.
I wouldn’t lean on foreign propaganda any more than I would domestic propaganda.
Americans are putting these jets into service and a surprising number of them are failing.
Whether Iran/Yemen have successfully struck any of them or the Navy can’t get them on and off the flight deck reliably is almost a moot point. A downed plane is a downed plane.
Several “oops this plane just fell off the flight deck, oh well, shit happens”
Those were F/A-18s.
Sure, that all may be the case, but counterpoint: ospreys.
Is this a contest to crash the most aircraft?
Because my man, the GOAT, John “New Plane” McCain would like to have a word.
Oh so this is the part where we provide no sources to our claim. Then claim the sources are unreliable!
It was actually more like 0.
I wanna remind everyone that THIS was one of the pictures Iran released to prove they shot down an F-35.
Gripen is a great jet for Canadian requirements.
F35 doesn’t even work.
F35 used to not work. Now it works well, after running away over budget and time.
If I remember correctly, Saab has even offered to have the jets built.in Canada.
You do remember correctly. It’s part of SAABs strategy, and if I remember correctly, there were also talks about Canada building their global eye AWAC
Damn that’s a sexy plane. Delta wing and canards? Hell yeah.
