Communism (correction - Socialism) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Resources must be usurped from the ruling class by force, as they cannot be reasoned with. There is nothing wrong with that.
no, the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to be a transitional phase. once you get to communism, it’s not supposed to be a dictatorship of anyone. even Marx allowed that it was possible that in a country with a strong democratic system, that the dictatorship of the proletariat might not even be needed. ironically, one of the countries where he said it might be possible was the United States and Great Britain.
For many westerners, communism is just a fantasy. They have no material grasp on what happens when you try to do it. They think you just magically redistribute resources while the ruling class stands by without interference.
I speculate that the deep influence of Christianity on the West has created a culture where people think that the point of ideology is to cultivate the most virtuous personal beliefs, not to actually try to materially change anything. It’s better to die on the cross than to actually be pragmatic.
nope. what’s that got to do with the chain of reasoning that we are discussing?
Forester : Holomodor was a famine that caused deaths
Me : Damn, Forester brought up many examples of deaths being caused by communists (NB : not communism, particular communists) that were not right wing assholes.
you : he provided propaganda (unsubstantiated claims)
So you make an obviously bad faith “are you saying [obvious strawman that is not at all what I said]?” comment, but then have a tantrum when I do the same back to you? Fuck off. How about you actually read and respond to what people actually fucking say, rather than literally making up your own bullshit quotes that noone said: literally manufacturing fictional conversations whole cloth. Until you actually respond to what actually said, without making up fake quotes or other bad faith bullshit, I’m going to keep treating you the same.
So you’re saying that you’re actually a neo nazi who loves child porn?
Many consider the current race relations in South Africa to be genocide too. And in both cases, these “many” are right wing dipshits acting in bad faith.
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And this excuses your grandfather being a Nazi… how?
Well, that’s not the important part. The important part is that he was murdered by damn dirty commies¹.
¹for running a concentration camp
Saying that Stalin was a communist is like saying Trump is altruistic.
Call it like it is: he was a dictator and the following regimes were dressed in the same cloth.
You can also just say he was a communist but also bad. Not all communists or communist projects have to be virtuous for communism to be right.
Communism (correction - Socialism) is a dictatorship of the proletariat. Resources must be usurped from the ruling class by force, as they cannot be reasoned with. There is nothing wrong with that.
And of course everyone who disagrees with you even a little is part of that class.
no, the dictatorship of the proletariat is supposed to be a transitional phase. once you get to communism, it’s not supposed to be a dictatorship of anyone. even Marx allowed that it was possible that in a country with a strong democratic system, that the dictatorship of the proletariat might not even be needed. ironically, one of the countries where he said it might be possible was the United States and Great Britain.
clearly, times have changed.
You’re correct. Thank you for clarifying.
My point about “dictatorship” being “not real communism” still holds though. The dictatorship is required to achieve communism.
So Communism (correction - Socialism) is whatever the people who control all the tanks says it is?
How convenient.
There’s nothing wrong with usurping resources from the ruling class, but there is a lot wrong with imposing tyranny on the proletariat.
Which is what the previous ruling class will always accuse you of when you usurp their resources.
For many westerners, communism is just a fantasy. They have no material grasp on what happens when you try to do it. They think you just magically redistribute resources while the ruling class stands by without interference.
I speculate that the deep influence of Christianity on the West has created a culture where people think that the point of ideology is to cultivate the most virtuous personal beliefs, not to actually try to materially change anything. It’s better to die on the cross than to actually be pragmatic.
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That’s why you have a big list of it ready to go?
They literally didn’t bring any recipes though. Just unsubstantiated claims. Anyone can do that.
are you saying holomodor didn’t happen, and that stalin wasn’t an authoritarian bastard?
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nope. what’s that got to do with the chain of reasoning that we are discussing?
Forester : Holomodor was a famine that caused deaths
Me : Damn, Forester brought up many examples of deaths being caused by communists (NB : not communism, particular communists) that were not right wing assholes.
you : he provided propaganda (unsubstantiated claims)
me : are you saying that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor didn’t happen?
you: are you a child molestor
What’s the deal my man?
So you make an obviously bad faith “are you saying [obvious strawman that is not at all what I said]?” comment, but then have a tantrum when I do the same back to you? Fuck off. How about you actually read and respond to what people actually fucking say, rather than literally making up your own bullshit quotes that noone said: literally manufacturing fictional conversations whole cloth. Until you actually respond to what actually said, without making up fake quotes or other bad faith bullshit, I’m going to keep treating you the same.
So you’re saying that you’re actually a neo nazi who loves child porn?
why is holomodor an “unsubstantiated claim”?
Why do you support Hitler and masturbate to child pornography?
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fair
Literally all I did was point out he literally didn’t bring recipes, you bad faith fuck
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Nope. But keep lying, you fascist fuck.
Yeah, your kind can never engage with disagreement without running away like Satres anti-semite
Many consider the current race relations in South Africa to be genocide too. And in both cases, these “many” are right wing dipshits acting in bad faith.