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Here’s a great idea: let’s not produce any weapons and disarm unilaterally. What could go wrong?
Who is “us”?
The good guys. Define them as you like.
The US could cut its arsenal by 90% and still have nothing to fear from anyone. That shit isn’t for defense it’s to threaten the rest of the world.
How about we split the difference and only cut two thirds of all military spending? We would still be pouring more money into it than any country on earth.
There will still be people working for arms companies. All of them will deserve hell?
If we cut back that much, then we wouldn’t be able to fuel nearly as much death and destruction around the globe. But, not to worry, I’m sure we could still find enough evil to do to both satisfy your desire for blood and to earn the people responsible a cozy little spot in Hell, yes.
Where did you get my desire for blood from? All I’m saying is that the same arms companies make weapons that fall in Gaza and that protect Europe. You can’t have one but not the other. It’s up to politicians to decide how to use those weapons, not engineers.
It’s up to politicians to decide how to use those weapons, not engineers.
Exactly how far does this extend? Because a lot of people involved in supporting the Nazi war effort said the exact same thing.
If you go around solving every problem you’re asked to with no concern for who’s asking or why, that’s how you wind up developing Zyklon B.
Giving a gun to a murderer is the same as pulling the trigger. Giving artillery to a murderer is too.
Great, so let’s disarm unilaterally. I’m sure Russia and China will do the same.
Such a childish take…
Why should we demand countries that are only spending 1/3 of what we spend disarm? No, let’s focus on having the most militaristic country in the world, the one that spends as much as the next 9 countries combined, on having that country reduce spending and stop trying to dominate the entire world through military force.
And then we can spend some of that money on giving me healthcare! Everybody wins! Well, except for the corporate executives, corrupt politicians, and their chauvanistic bootlickers.
That’s why I design targets.
Look man, making missile killing lasers is just way more interesting than building another pointless SUV to a price target.
Then they become human ablating lasers as the tech keeps shrinking…
Building the SUV would be more ethical though.
I think this is also true for investing in war companies (its the department of war now, so no need to keep up the defense charade), even if it’s just part of an index fund or ETF.
Department of War*
DBA Department of War Crimes
This is literally everyone with a 401k.
Yes, violence is literally all of capitalism.
Sadly, a matching 401k became the standard corporate retirement package over a pension.
However, you do still have a choice of what to invest in, even with a 401k.
Sometimes, sometimes not. Many 401(k)s have restrictions not that “you can’t invest in X”, just “you must choose from the things offered by this account”.
I have no ethical qualms with those who make weapons. Horizontal communities need the means to defend themselves against external domination. The dilemma is, under capitalism, dominators employ weapons against those unable to defend themselves thereby realizing the idea of Hell on Earth.
Right, and we live in a capitalist world, so I feel like it shouldn’t be a dilemma. Seems pretty clear cut.
It’s like you’re basing your ethical judgment of it on a world that you admit doesn’t exist
Doing engineering is more like an any% run to do something that eventually, even just statistically, hurts people.
So. Stop enabling us, scientists :P
Lots of people are better off for science, it’s the capitalists that ask us to wield it against others
Communists and capitalists both made WMDs and murdered millions for their own gain
“Capitalists bombed Hiroshima”
“Communists bombed Nagasaki”
-this dipshit probably
I don’t know why .ml has usernames. No one can tell any of you apart.
I don’t know why you consider yourself an anarchist instance when I see you quoting Gobbles more than Kropotkin
Who else the fuck pulls Gobbles and Kropotkin out as an insult?
Only tankies.
If I used Spongebob characters do you think it would land better with this audience?
No. That evil has nothing to do with whichever socio-economic system is your particular choice of boogie man.
Socio-economic models have to do with pretty much everything that happens in a society. They define the preferred end goal of most actions. In feudalism it would be to better expand and defend the territory of your liege, for example.
What I meant is that wielding new science and technology against people is in no way unique to capitalism. Every system we’ve ever tried has done that at one point.
No one said it’s unique to that particular system. As I said feudalism would do the same for different reasons
But that doesn’t mean it’s impossible to have a system that disincentivises harming others and even if it’s implemented it doesn’t mean no one will be harmed.
Traceur201 said that.
He did not say it’s the only system where it happens
It seems he was just saying that in the current socio-economic model for most of the planet the elite of that system (the “capitalists”) push for that behaviour, not that it wouldn’t happen under any other
If I say I get wet when it’s raining outside, I’m not implying I can’t get wet during a sunny day (I might just have bad luck and someone dumps water out of a window)
This is part of the reason I moved to CA. As an engineer I’m always going to have some kind of environmental impact, and I think a direct initiative is necessary for the public to consent.
This comment is known to the state of California to cause birth defects.
I don’t think anyone with an engineering degree would believe there’s a hell. Neither should you.
True, these people will not face justice through any natural force of the universe, only by people holding them accountable for the harm they cause.
Leave it to an engineer to think that this meme is literally claiming there’s a hell.
Leave it to whatever your condition is to think that my reply was literally claiming that the meme was literally claiming there’s a hell.
there’s probably an infinite number of paths, and an even greater number of perspectives to be considered across each moment and position along each of them. or absolutely nothing at all. most other possibilities seem so unlikely, they probably aren’t worth considering
Although I can imagine what hell would look like: commuting for 1h to sit in an office that has more people than desks to have a zoom meeting over VPN with flaky wifi and AC that is set to overheat whoever sits under the vent and under heat everyone further.
Oh did I tell you that meeting could have been an email? And the coffee machine broke yesterday. And there’s a bathroom queue.
Well, tomorrow morning, commuting hell will be sitting next to me. I don’t know what those samosas had in them but I sound like a WWII machine gun nest and smell like aisle 3 at the spice store.
That moment when you quit the arms company and joined the legs company:
I’m stealing this
Sadly the job security in weapon manufacturer is pretty good. Least it was when I worked in one 15 years back. Pay was shite though.
think it’s hot today?
No
My university is practically owned by weapons manufacturers which sucks. Idk if that’s the norm or not
Not an engineer, but I have I have Asian parents, if I were an engineer and worked for a genocidal dictator, they wouldn’t care, that’s success anyways.
So… yea…
people value success over ethics
welcome to life
society…
Wouldn’t they still be disappointed that you are an engineer and not a doctor?
💀
what are engineers, if not machine doctors?
I told my doctor friend I’m basically a doctor for my power plant(mechanical engineer/power plant operator). He told me I’m a certified nursing assistant at best. Lmao
Do you think your Taiwanese background plays into that kind of thinking?
Also if you have any disabilities, like if you have depression. Oh your parents are gonna be so cruel to you. You are a “useless eater”.
What the fuck is this life. Why?
I wasn’t even supposed to be born. Why the fuck am I here. This fucking suffering.
Is there any chance to move out from your parents, and surround yourself with people with different ideals?
No chance. My brain is fucked.
I literally felt so much anxiety when I tried to live on campus so I ended up withdrawing from college altogether.
I’m just feeling so ashamed of myself for being such a failure I kinda think about killing myself all the time. Depression is so hard, I don’t have the energy to do anything.
It was already bad enough before, now I feel so anxious going outside because of ICE.
I have trouble dealing with other people. I don’t think I can handle roomates… I mean I did had roommates in college, and I kinda… everyone hated me. Well they didn’t say it, but I feel like I was unwelcomed.
I have a lot of health issues. I snore when I sleep and it annoys everyone.
Rent is so expensive these days you can’t be by yourself, but roomates is also a… no no.
I’d probably just get stabbed to death since I have no social skills (well not like zero, but I never really made friends in school, so… there… I doubt I’d get along with randos as roomates in like the adult world no-less)
I mean, I even have trouble finding psychaitric help and feel anxious af trying to schedule an appointment.
I need my parents’ money to even afford health related stuff. Y’all know how it is in the US. They say “seek professional help” but nobody ever mentions the money aspect.
This is years of emotional abuse and neglect.
They destroyed my ability to be independent.
I mean even my older brother 5 years older than me probably has problems being independent. He’s still at home with us.
I know I sound pathetic af
Our family is just a bunch of failures
Shitty parenting destroyed us
Thanks a lot, Confucious and your “filial piety” tiger parenting bullshit.
even just your awareness and ability to articulate yourself,as well as the capacity for consequential reasoning and your willingness to empathize with your brother all seem like priceless artifacts of your humanity which will become more precious and respected as we all start continue recognizing and discussing the realities we have seen throughout our twisted and tumultuous lives, and we are able to gracefully “live (well enough) and let die (or let go without bitterness)” the mistakes of these past few generations and all the shit they have been cooking for themselves and others all around them, to justify how they have been making it by, through all the thick and thin that they had all been making up and giving to each other.
I’m from mainland China (currently residing in the US), profile pic is because I hate the 5-Star Red Flag and the politics it represents.
Probably something with Asian cultures’s obsession with the idea of “success”. Like… my parents literally wouldn’t care if I became some corrupt government official as long as I don’t get caught. Success is worshipped, failure is shamed. I talk shit about trump, and like my mom said “at least he became president, can you do that?”
I’m like: “naturalized citizens can’t be president”
omg immediately less than 1 second later, mom goes: “but Gary Locke became Governor” (Gary Locke is a Chinese American)
And like you know Mamdani won, immedialy after, she told me “an immigrant managed to become Mayor, you are an immigrant just like him, why can’t you do the same?” bruh… maybe I could if I didn’t get so much emotional damage, mom.
Like they worship success, regardless of if they are “good” or “bad” people.
If you try to be a good person and you “fail” in life, you are considered worse than the bad person in power making a lot of money.
I’m like just so close to killing myself, even though I really wanna live, this is too painful, depression is too painful.
My parents are slowly killing my ethics and empathy, like one day I might just not care.
Either you die young with your morals intact, or you seek success and survival, and you corrupt your soul…
This world is cruel. The world wants you to be cruel to be able to even live a comfortable life.
Mate I hope you get hold of your depression and find a way to sort or ignore your problems in a healthy, guilt free way.
Look I’m from South America and I get what you’re saying. Many parallels although to a lesser degree. Probably because South America has had tough life but not as tough as South East Asia.
I’m not asian but that bsounds like a lot of what i’ve heard called Asian Guilt. I’ve heard American Asians get a lot of flak for not measuring up to the likes of Jonny Kim. --personally, i’m finding it easier to deal with familial disappointment while living an ethical life as oppose to living an unethical life while still dealing with familial disappointment because i’m not gonna measure up to someone elses standards. Anyways, be good to yourself, there’s no guarantee anyone else will. Have you gone for a walk lately?
Good that I only work for Palantir then
Can’t go to hell if you have no soul.
*taps temple
It’s almost winter, I thinks it’s freaking cold today.
Almost? Tell that to the snowstorm that attacked me yesterday.
It’s still autumn for 18 more days, unless you’re on the southern hemisphere.
