“No, I haven’t sat down to play the games,” said Walton Goggins, who plays pre-war movie star Cooper Howard and his post-war counterpart The Ghoul. “And I won’t. I won’t. I won’t play the games. I’m not interested.”
The reason is actually pretty simple: Goggins doesn’t want to think of the world or the characters of Fallout as elements of a game.
“All of a sudden, I’m looking at this world from a very different perspective, and as something on a screen in which I am an avatar in. I don’t believe that I’m an avatar. I believe The Ghoul exists in the world. I believe that Cooper Howard exists in the world.” he said.
“The best way that I can serve this world and serve the fans of this game, I think, is to go to work every single day and believe the circumstances that I’m presented with,” Goggins said.
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Perhaps read his entire statement instead of the headline. He’s doing us a service here and the show has been great so far, no?
no its one of the worst things ive ever seen and i honestly dont understand the praise
What the fuck. Lmao.
Thanks for the laugh.
it’s okay to like slop, you don’t need to ridicule people who don’t.
You are either having an extreme reaction to this show or you have not watched many shows. There are thousands of worse shows than this and that’s only considering English language TV.
Note Im not saying I like the show. I like Fallout as a game series and couldnt get past episode 3. Im just saying there are many worse shows and it would be easy to come up with 100 worse shows.
I mean…Fallout isn’t a great game. It’s too “Rockstar”/console driven in my mind. Looks absolutely amazing, but the some of the bewilderingly rigid character mechanics completely break immersion for me.
Are we talking Fallout 1 specifically?
I think I tried 3 and 4?
Play 1, 2, or NV. Much love.
1 and 2 are extremely different games though. The top down 2D games are nothing like 3 and later iterations.
You aren’t getting less rigid mechanics in 1, 2 or NV than ypu do in any of the other games so if that’s OP’s problem nothing in this IP will be an improvement.
Not even just to see if the games are fun? Like, he doesn’t need to take inspiration for his character from it, but if he is interested in playing video games for fun outside of relating to his acting roles, why not give them a shot?
If he said “I just have no intetest in playing video games” I’d have no follow-up questions about it.
Is he saying “this is a fallout game you don’t get to play”? Instead of making this into a game, it became a tv show?
Makes perfect sense from the perspective of an actor.
They want their performance to come naturally and with the direction of the writers/directors.
Playing the games can make an actor subconsciously act how they think would fit the games rather than how would fit their specific character.
I was going to make this it’s own comment, but it fits well as a reply here.
I don’t agree with this. I don’t think he needs to play them, but the argument doesn’t make sense. Would he say the same if it were a movie? I’m willing to bet not. He just doesn’t want to play the games, and that’s fine. The bullshit excuse of “not wanting to believe the world” is stupid. If you’re making a movie set in a larger cinematic universe you don’t get to act noble about refusing to engage in the rest of the media. It being a video game doesn’t change anything.
Yeah, it actually also makes sense for an actor to avoid seeing other films with that character if they’re going to portray an entirelly new version of that character.
In Method Acting character building is a lot about what are the motivations and drives of the “person” which is the character and “living truthfully (the character’s life) under imaginary circunstances” and judging by how he talks about it he is indeed using Method Acting.
As for games, they might be an even worse influence than previous films because the emotional depth of in game characters is generally zero or close to it (except in things like cutscenes were they used actors, MOCAP and a very detailed model for expressions), akin to a woden performance.
It’s valid for an actor using Method Acting not to want to be exposed to a different representation of the world their character is supposed to inhabit and of the characters in that world - Method Acting is pretty “soft and smooshy” rather than a set of iron rules and mechanisms, relying on a person’s own “emotional engine” and ability to pretty much forget that they’re not that “person” which is the character living those things (think of it as an actor’s version of suspension of disbelief) so who knows what influences the actor might take in subconsciously which then affect their embodyment of that character, which would be a bigger concern now that they’ve already embodied that character (for the last season of the series) and that should not change for actor reasons rather than character reasons (i.e. the character should only change due to things that happen to the character).
No doubt some actors would think that playing the game would make no difference, but it’s valid for some to think it might.
I don’t think he’s trying to act noble. I think he’s just very aware of his own acting process and how his brain works. It’d be different if he said nobody in the cast should play the games. Or maybe he doesn’t think it’s a great idea for the star of a video game adaptation to say he doesn’t like video games.
He also might just not have that time. My brother would loveNew Vegas but at 45 with a wife, kids, and career that isn’t going to happen because he won’t have the time to really play.
Understandable, but he might never know the glory that is fisto, which makes me sad.
I’m sure, if he goes to them, convention goers are more than happy to let him know.
He’d be perfect for the writer’s room
Makes sense to me. The Ghoul is an original character, and Goggins doesn’t need to know a lot about the setting or source material.
Was Cooper Howard a character in the games or was the entire role written for this show?
If it was a character from one of the games, it would be so minor that I missed it. I think that character was created for the TV series.
To be fair, those games are fucking terrible.
the games are bad but have things about them that can make them fun, the show on the other hand i found downright unwatchable. it’s like a team of redditors made it with chatgpt or something.
Good. Other than the first two, they’re awful.
Everything after 1 and 2 are a very different game
Good for him. Actors who want to embrace their character and the world they are portrayed in shouldn’t feel pressured to consume the source material, whether that’s a video game series or a book, especially when the show or movie could wildly diverge from the source.
Why bother slapping a name on the show if you don’t want it to have anything to do with the game?
Counterpoint:
Art is interpretive by its nature, and each person has their vision for how it should appear. That said, why would you want to watch something that is a 1:1 of something you’ve already consumed? It’s okay, and often encouraged to stray from the source material.
Even the creator of Fallout acknowledges this.
For example — for better or worse — comics exemplify this idea with the many iterations of their superheroes. e.g. Superman originally couldn’t fly. Some are better than others, but in the end we (the fans) get a more rich and diverse world for our imaginations.
why would you want to watch something that is a 1:1 of something you’ve already consumed?
Well…
- I haven’t. One is a TV show and one is a game, obviously.
- It doesn’t have to be 1:1. The words that were used were “wildly diverge from the source”. How can you understand any of the lore without playing it? Would you act in a movie based on a book and intentionally sequester yourself from the book?
Help me out: who said, “wildly diverge from the source”? (Quotes were yours)
Also, actors act based on the script they’re given and through the artistic direction of the director. They do it all the time; it’s their job.
But, you imply a good point (that I sort of touched on): not everyone likes it. And, I’ll further that sentiment by saying: not everyone has to like it.
You obviously don’t like it. And that’s okay.
Brother, just scroll up.
It was kaidenshi in this comment:
I suspect the actor can read and relied on that.
…read what?
The bible.
The script of the show, it usually has all of their lines in it.
The script doesn’t contain nearly enough information to get an accurate view of who the character is that they’re portraying or what the fictional universe is like. That’s why a good actor will research the lore.
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How many of these games have you played? The lore is never consistent so he really has little to gain from the experience. As he’s in his 50s he might not have time to game
That is the furthest thing from what he said. You’re looking for a reason to be upset.
…why would I do that?
I don’t think I’ll answer your silly question. Instead I’ll answer whatever I like.
When the birds flew off their wings batted away all the seeds.
LOL ok
Counterpoint, Henry Cavill in The Witcher. Though he left once they started diverging from the source because he knew that it would make the show subpar. And it did.
Knowing the source material can help actors understand more nuance of their character and the world the show takes place in.
The most recent season of the Witcher was pretty good though.
There’s a difference in knowing the source material and being a fan/playing the games.
Pointercount, the lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent which is not the case for The Witcher.
The lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent because of a lack of Henry Cavills working at Bethesda.
There’s still a chance to retcon stupid shit. I really, really would prefer that outcome to "eh the lore in this RPG series doesn’t matter that much.
You generally need a single person with the vision to maintain consistency throughout the whole series, and as far as I know that was not the case with Falout the games.
The lore in Fallout is grossly inconsistent because of a lack of Henry Cavills working at Bethesda.
They have had staff that knew the lore the fact is they decided to change things because it made the game more fun. For example mutants and supermutants should not be in almost any part of the wasteland as the means to create them is not universally available according to lore, yet they are in every single game because they are fun enemies to fight.
Fallout chose fun gameplay over consistency.
Counterpoint: You can know the source material without having played the game.
Cavill was a book fan too.
Counter-counter: Henry Cavill was playing the Witcher, the central character in the lore. Walter Goggins is playing someone not in the original lore.
The word you are looking for is pointercount. Note somewhat NSFW for language.
Sure, but if everyone later complains that the show was too different from the source material, they’ll look back to things like this.
Fallout has the most inconsistent lore of almost any IP
Fair point, not exactly the ideal ip for “lore accuracy”
And if that happens the odds of it being the fault of a single actor are zero.
It doesn’t really matter for Fallout either, it’s pretty basic at its core. It’s not like he needs some deep understanding of the factions to play a character here. It’s just a post-apocalyptic world, where his character happens to have no hair or nose. It’s always been a sandbox, which lends itself well to a show.
Click bait article titles are one of the main reasons for the failure of our society.
I didn’t even think it was that click baity. My initial knee jerk reaction was “ok, cool. It’s not like they are making a new Vegas show. It’s a new storyline with cameos.”
But then I see op responding in the comments, and it’s clear I am not the target audience for this article despite being a huge fan of both the show and game.
This thread is awful quality for this community, but I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised considering the article that started it is PC Gamer ragebait. Gamers are always looking for their next moment to rise up.
So this actor won’t connect with 99.9 percent of the shows fans? This actor refuses to research his role? Thinks he knows better than the successful franchise that the show is based on? Or is he really saying “get fucked nerds, I’m a Hollywood actor and so much better than you or this role”
You know that he doesn’t make any decisions that would make the show any more or less like the games, right? You want the show-runner to know the material not the actors.
Congrats to him on completely fucking missing the point of playing the games
I think you are the one missing the point. Why would you care about him playing the game? He’s not there to ensure accuracy to the source material, that’s the writer’s job.
Actors can do research on their roles in order to ensure that they get what they’re supposed to do right. Goggins not needing to do research is good for him, but him saying “I’m looking at this world from a very different perspective, and as something on a screen in which I am an avatar in. I don’t believe that I’m an avatar. I believe The Ghoul exists in the world.” is missing the point, playing the game in this situation isn’t about “being an avatar”, but getting to experience the world and other characters where his character exists in, even if not as Cooper/Ghoul.
It’s not just the writers job, it’s the directors job.
How should the ghoul react to a cazador?
As a player of the games, I have a visceral reaction. Has the ghoul’s backstreet included environments where he would have encountered them? Spoken to people who have?
These are the kinds of questions I expect he’d need to be answered by the director, because i don’t think the writers would have that much detail in the scripts. “Scared because one fucked you up once” and “scared because someone you thought was tough told you they got fucked up by one” are two different scareds.
If you trust the director, it might be easier to let them tell you what your character knows when you the actor need to know.
If you don’t trust the director, then it might make sense to peek at the source materials. You better understand the environment, but now suddenly you know things your character might not, which I imagine adds additional burden on an actor. A common burden, mind you, but additional.
And the source material is inconsistent at best.
