Not for me. Before Plex I was browsing folders on my TV and I actually had to organize everything, plus find and download matching subtitles. It sucked so much.
I got into self hosting because of Plex and ran it on a 2015 Shield (both the server and the player) for ~8 years. Just moved the server to another machine this year. Still happy premium user.
Jellyfin is great :D
For the love, as a Plex alternative, they don’t even have a native app on all major tv stores. It should be a P1 feature. I would throw money at them if they get Apple TV support. Right now, there are no functional apps running on the latest Apple TV OS.
For the love, as a Plex alternative, they don’t even have a native app on all major tv stores. It should be a P1 feature.
Are you really bitching this hard about a completely free and open source project?
It’s not technology or finances that kill most FOSS projects and burn out the devs. It’s this kind of shitty entitled unappreciative demanding attitude from users.
As others have pointed out, there are fully functional and good quality frontends available, such as Swiftfin.
I maintain open source projects too, and I fully understand the burnout, the pressure from supporters and such. What I was saying is they can do better from a project management perspective. Otherwise I love their work :3
Swiftfin is buggy atm, like my other comment.
I maintain open source projects too, and I fully understand the burnout, the pressure from supporters and such.
Then you should know better than most that your wording and approach matters.
I haven’t used apple tv in a few years, but like, swiftfin worked just fine for me??
I believe Infuse has Jellyfin support on Apple TV. But they want like £100 for a lifetime license or £2 a month / £13 a year.
Yeaaaaaaaah, I mean it’s a good app, but I don’t know if it justifies a $100 license.
Swiftfin?
For me the audio is desynced and subtitles are completely broken. :(
Oh weird. I would guess a transcoding issue, maybe double check those settings to make sure you have the right config for your hardware.
Theres also Infuse, its a video player that supports jellyfin, but I think some features are behind a premium purchase.
Yeah. The entire jellyfin support is behind subscription.
Just to think of replacing the mount points in the docker container from Plex to Jellyfin (in order for it to read my Riven and Decypharr symlinks) scares me… Mostly because after I finish a docker project my mind seems to go blank lol.
At least they still kinda honour the Plex Pass lifetime users…
At least they still kinda honour the Plex Pass lifetime users…
for now.
Yeah I know, but Jellyfin is gonna be around when they stop doing this… I can hold a little longer 😁
The way you switch between two servers you own is more than inconvenient; it’s what keeps Plex in my life.I wish things would change because everything else is better.
That’s why I use Emby. Paid for lifetime within a day of switch from Plex (which I also have has lifetime for like a decade) because it has a ton of plugins that have been useful and has a cloud server switch function.
Thats how I describe Jellyfin, it works fine, its just inconvenient to use.
Does jellyfin have an easy way for remote streaming? I have a couple dozen people on my Plex server, most not very tech savvy, so setting up tailscale and running remote that way isn’t an option. I have a Plex pass so I haven’t been screwed by Plex yet, so I’m not rushing to get out, but I could see myself running both.
I set mine up with HAProxy for TLS offloading and ACME for the server cert. Restrict your access to just your country/region by GeoIP and you are pretty good to go.
Yes-ish, it’s harder for you than the users. But you will have to secure a URL and they will have to remember that URL. Also there’s some security issues with some unsecured endpoints on Jellyfin. That said I have mine out there exposed to the net and am comfortable enough with it.
I have mine behind a caddy reverse proxy that forces https. I think that handles most sniffing concerns
I already have to expose my Plex Media Server with a Tailscsle funnel (for IPv4 only) for IPv6 I use my Synology NAS reverse proxy which can be accessed globally.
I have been maining this setup for years now that I forgot if I can access my PMS outside without either those solutions lol (I am GGNATED but IPv6 works fine as stated).
The main thing here is that I don’t need my users to do anything, they just open the app and access it, no need to remember IPs/URLs or install VPNs to my server… Is that possible with Jellyfin as well?
Yes you can do the same thing for Jellyfin. I use Synology ddns and setup subdomain in reverse proxy to jellyfin port. For tailscale, I previously use this but needs to add the jellyfin port after the tailscale IP.
No, there’s not centralized host server to connect your users with your server. They need a fixed IP or URL to access your server from outside your network.
So how do they access from, let’s say a Smart TV/Android TV device?
Jellyfin apps ask you for three things in order to login: URL, username, password.
Thanks, that clears everything up for me…
Now if you could set that URL from the server itself and not the client apps… Certainly I don’t think that’s an impossible task.
no, tailscale is still the easiest option.
So I don’t get it, I have mine up with a domain without tsilscale… The clients are quite happy wherever. I don’t even see that much “crawling” traffic that goes to the domain, most just hit the server by ip and get a static 401 page that the “default” site is hard coded to give out.
At some point, somewhere on the internet, someone authoritatively claimed that tailscale is the one and only acceptable solution to getting your jellyfin server outside your LAN and it just kind of took root. nginx has worked perfectly fine for me.
I’m so confused why so many people think a VPN is the best solution. It’s easy to implement, but hardly optimal, and certainly not the only solution
Bummer… unfortunately, that’s a deal breaker for me to completely drop Plex. Maybe someday.
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I swear every single Plex related thread has the same Jellyfin fanatics coming in. Same energy as “my MIL has trouble with her computer” “just install Linux bro!” comments.
Still better than the army of Plex fanboys that all claim to have dozens of senior citizens streaming from their Plex server.
Yeah that’s totally how it works. 👍
e: lots of 🤡 in here
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Can you fly out to my MIL every time her router breaks and fix it for her?
Edit: holy shit, your edits are insane
I moved away from plex as well. I do have remote access but had to set up Tailscale on the accounts that access it. It’s a bit of a hassle initially but works well.
You could just get a domain and set up a reverse proxy. Or use Cloudflare tunnels.
The first one, yes. That’s what I do. But IIRC hosting media via cloudflare tunnels goes against the TOC and they reserve the right to ban users over it
They changed their TOC a while ago, the only thing they have in there now is boiler plate stuff about not hosting pirated content.
https://www.cloudflare.com/en-gb/terms/
You agree not to, and not to allow third parties to use the Services to ... post, transmit, store or link to any files, materials, data, text, audio, video, images or other content that infringe on any person’s intellectual property rights or that are otherwise unlawful;I just set up a cache rule to ignore my jellyfin subdomain and they won’t ever care about me and my half dozen users.
Oh that’s good news! I really only use it for myself, so that sounds like I can stream my music without worrying
All possible, but currently I have lifetime Plex pass and just need to share with people I want to share with. No extra config. Once Jellyfin can do that or something similar, I’ll look at jumping ship. Until then, the juice isn’t worth the squeeze.
Fair enough. I doubt Jellyfin will ever offer something like that. Its designed to be completely self hosted and not rely on a central server, which I dont see changing.
Once Jellyfin can do that or something similar
Once Jellyfin does that then it’ll be time to look at jumping ship to something else, because that’ll be the indication that Jellyfin is going down the same road as Plex.
I’d love Jellyfin if not for their incredibly infuriating seek behaviour. Why do I have to press play to start the video again?
For me I just want a fast forward button. They have something they call fast forward, but it seeks instead.
In case this helps, for me when I use it on Android TV with said TV’s remote, the arrow buttons on the direction pad for anything require pressing play/OK button after. But if I use the fast forward buttons, it does seek and then just keeps playing.
Agreed! I stayed with Plex for a long time because Jellyfin had a rough time with live TV (antenna) and I already had a PlexPass because of a sale a long time ago. Now Plex is only still running because I love Plexamp.
Dude, yeah. Plexamp had me keeping my server up far longer than I should have.
I struggled to find a decent plexamp replacement and ended up using symphonium, if you’re looking for any suggestions. Its been working out pretty well with jellyfin.
Except the sync / group watch feature is pretty broken which makes me sad
No, it’s not.
No shot you linked to fucking sora
The thing it replaced… XBMC? O_o
Xbmc was renamed Kodi and it’s still revenant. It has a totally different use case than Plex or jellyfin and there’s plugins for both.
Did you mean to type ‘relevant’ or are you suggesting it’s a zombie project?
There’s only one reason, money.
But it’s at least four $1.
TL;DR: $ $ $ $
I never stopped using Kodi
Ah, good ol’ Xbox media centre. I still have that installed on my OG Xbox.
oh look, another jellyfin circle jerk.
Jesus wants you to install jellyfin
Jesus can eat shit from my ass. when he does that I’ll switch to jellyfin.
Bread is Jesus’ body. Poop in a sandwich and your shit will be inside Jesus Christ. Is that close enough to satisfy you?
nope. I want to feel his conviction.
seriously. it sucks that plex had to increase their price to $250 but they resisted that increase for like 10 years. nobody is forcing anyone to rent plex lol. its still worth it during sales.
Clients suck on non plex
Plex has been off limits to me for along time. Just the fact they want to require auth with their central service for something I use for reasons rights holders would love to sue me into third world poverty over (muh Linux ISOs) is enough reason.
Them demanding that auth hook into the server makes me uneasy about what sort of metatdata they are currently, or could exfiltrate later on, should they want to or be demanded to.
Whole thing stinks of willingly being part of a honeypot.
I’m going to call it like I saw it, a very long time ago.
<rant>
You have a product that is basically purpose built to make data hoarding and piracy practical, yet it requires a login with a central service. I don’t care what justification anyone thinks makes that worthwhile or even a good compromise. Signaling to any corporate entity that you’re in possession of such a thing is a bad idea to begin with. They shouldn’t even know you exist. That information, along with anything else you do with the product is compromising to you and can be sold for money if aggregated with everyone else’s data.
If you find this rant out of place in our modern world, I’d like to point to the concept of shifting baselines. This didn’t used to be normal and nothing short of greed continues the behavior. The technology before this ran/runs without anyone knowing. Consider VLC, or XBMC.
Jellyfin is a complete replacement for Plex
It’s sad but at least it’s still competition where desperately needed.
Meh, I went into plex settings on the server and just turned off all the bloat. Its all on one page. Not a big deal.
I went into no settings on Jellyfin and everything stayed sane and the same.
whoa, you mean you don’t want ads?? what is happening?!
Where do you get ads from on plex!?
i count as all the streaming shit they try to push as ads.
Sure, but you also don’t have the option to use those features because they don’t exist in jellyfin.
In my plex instance, I have discover enabled, and enabled all the streaming services so that discover is populated with all the movies and shows available. Then I have an automation setup so I can search in discover for a movie, and add it to my watchlist, and my automation will automatically download that movie and add it to my library.
I can do it right from my couch, and its WAF approved. Using those bloat features against them, in a way.
But, its just as easy to turn those all off if one doesn’t want to utilize them. I’d be annoyed if they forced them on permanently but that’s not what plex does, but they sure get a lot of hate for just having those features.
That’s a feature I wouldnt want in mine for example.
I just want my stuff and only mine.But hey: Everyones gotta choose their own. And if youre happy, who am I to judge.
Sure, so you open settings and simply disable those extras. Then you have a nice clean ui with only your libraries. It even cleans up the app when disabled so there’s only home and libraries tabs. Nothing more.
I think many people aren’t aware all the extras have disable options in plex. Essentially turning it back into plex from years ago.
IMO: Not the point.
Essentially the same discussion here: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/comment/23054418
Sure, you could do it by turning 5 switches and 2 knobs but mine just does what I tell it to.
(And I don’t have to pay for remote access or HWA)Great, now how do you deal with 30 remote streamers when your IP changes? Do you have tobsetup extra knobs just to get remote streaming to work? Are your apps refined or still buggy?
I’d personally rather deal with 5 options to turn off in settings than deal with all those extra steps and drawbacks. You really seem to have a huge hate bone for plex, so enjoy your choice, and move on.
Since I have a domain, I use DynDNS.
I needed it anyway so why not use it also there. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
What about the limits on remote streaming unless you pay?
I purchased a lifetime sub when it was on sale
Same, I’ve paid once, 12 years ago, and imo it was worth supporting them.
Yeah, Plex wins there - lifetime subs for Jellyfin never seem to be on sale.
Business. It’s business. Business has inescapable behaviors that manifest anytime it touches anything. It trades user experience for profit seeking. It’s not even complex. Profit always comes at the cost of product value and the purpose of business if profit. It always is, it always will be.
Moved to Stremio + A debrid service. I’m good.
Stremio
At a glance, it looks like it requires signing up with their service, which means they can track everything I do. No, thanks. I’ll stick with Jellyfin.
Just use a throwaway email. The point of the account is to sync your watch history and (most importantly), your plugins/configs, which are what do the piracy stuff for you.
Its so good and you can just login on anyone else’s device lol
I’m still annoyed that I spent £100 on Plex a few years ago. It seemed like a good investment at the time but I ended up never using it.
You can turn it around nowadays on something like Craigslist or FB marketplace. It will easily sell for 150 quid. Some of the plex shares will be happy to take it off you because their accounts get constantly nuked.
That’s more on you than Plex, though, right? Like do you get mad at Walmart or Home Depot because you bought a tool you never use, or don’t use as frequently as you thought you would?
Not defending Plex, I’m just curious.
EDIT: I realize your post referenced pounds as currency, but I don’t know the equivalent stores on that side of the pond. Been 20 years since I was in London! Apologies.
I didn’t say I was mad at Plex. I was implying that I was annoyed at my own decision to pay for it.
Ah, sorry, that’s not how I read it. Have a great day!
Is there a specific reason you never used it? Plex isn’t great with their enshitification, but once you have a Plex pass, that’s the complete expenditure. I disabled all of the “free” and other streaming suggestions from my Plex environment.
